Berlino
Well-known member
JeremyW said:
Agreed, especially if the 11% increase in range pans out.
Tesla "D" Oct 9
- Thread starter charge
- Start date
Help Support My Nissan Leaf Forum:
Agreed, especially if the 11% increase in range pans out.
cwerdna
Well-known member
The range improvement stuff is confusing. If you go to http://www.teslamotors.com/models/design" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; and look carefully at the ranges for RWD vs. AWD, you'll see the figures change from EPA to at 65 mph.Berlino said:
So, for the single motor 60, 85 and P85 models, the EPA ranges are:
208, 265, 265 miles
For the D versions they are at 65 mph:
225, 295, 275
Thus, the EPA range test results for the D versions are not there... not sure if they're known.
The EPA test is NOT at a steady 65 mph, nor is it a a steady speed for very long. http://www.fueleconomy.gov/feg/how_tested.shtml" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; shows how and http://www.fueleconomy.gov/feg/fe_test_schedules.shtml" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; has graphs of all the test cycles.
The thing that kinda struck me though is given the apparent reliability problems w/the drive units of the Model S (whatever the real cause really is), now there are two to possible develop problems. Yeah yeah... Elon's talked about a supposed loose cable harness and a shim.... but whatever, Rav4 EV drive units have continued to be replaced for noise, after he made those statements. I haven't had time to keep up w/what's going on now on "TMC" in terms of drive unit work for noise and for the rarer cases of total failure.
BestPal
Well-known member
Not sure it's a yawn.
Tech Package with Autopilot
The Tech Package adds a host of features to an already advanced car including Autopilot convenience features available through software updates
Wait... Autopilot? Available later with Over The Air software update. Did they really talk about self-retrieving car that will pick you up based on your location? (I read it in one of the tweets from the live event: http://www.teslarati.com/tesla-oct-9-live-coverage-hashtag-elonsd/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false
.
If that's the case it's far from a yawn.
Tech Package with Autopilot
The Tech Package adds a host of features to an already advanced car including Autopilot convenience features available through software updates
Wait... Autopilot? Available later with Over The Air software update. Did they really talk about self-retrieving car that will pick you up based on your location? (I read it in one of the tweets from the live event: http://www.teslarati.com/tesla-oct-9-live-coverage-hashtag-elonsd/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false
.If that's the case it's far from a yawn.
Berlino
Well-known member
cwerdna said:
That's a good observation. EPA improvement may be less because the extra weight will be hurt in stop-n-go driving. However, it's only really on the highways that you ever lack for range, so +30 miles at 65 mph would be significant.
cwerdna said:
The EPA ranges are not known yet. It would be dishonest, and criminal to claim otherwise.
The 85 at a constant 65 mph gives a range of 261.
In my opinion, this is the best comparison that can be made at this point.
If all of the gain is at highway speeds the gain in the epa rating will be less.
Berlino
Well-known member
BestPal said:
It also amounts to a price decrease, since similar, but less comprehensive autopilot features are a $2,800 option for the Audi A7, but included in the Tesla Tech Package. The Tech package appears to have gone up by about $750, but also now includes fog lights (previously a $400-500$ option) and obviously the parking sensors (once ~$500 as well).
BestPal said:Not sure it's a yawn.
Tech Package with Autopilot
The Tech Package adds a host of features to an already advanced car including Autopilot convenience features available through software updates
Wait... Autopilot? Available later with Over The Air software update. Did they really talk about self-retrieving car that will pick you up based on your location? (I read it in one of the tweets from the live event: http://www.teslarati.com/tesla-oct-9-live-coverage-hashtag-elonsd/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false
If that's the case it's far from a yawn.
I suspect that Teslarati discussion was speculation.
With the automatic lane changes, if they can pull that off safely, it is definitely a step forward in automation.
evnow
Well-known member
You mean TSLA speculatorslorenfb said:
Berlino
Well-known member
cwerdna said:
True, but you're less likely to get stranded because they're saying the front and rear can be independent and one can carry the load if the other breaks down.
"Tesla: now with a spare motor!"
derkraut
Well-known member
Whoopee!! :roll: :roll:LeftieBiker said:
I think the point of the D is that Tesla isn't ceding the performance aspect to BMW's i8, the Model S's only real competitor and the D becomes a halo super car, interesting in that it is a sedan.
If you look at the specs, http://www.caranddriver.com/bmw/i8" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;, for the price, the Model S P85D kicks the BMW's ass, hands down.
Musk is a car guy and no way is he going to let the i8 have any advantage (you can argue about style). Here's the Motor Trend comparison: http://www.motortrend.com/roadtests/alternative/1408_2014_tesla_model_s_p85_vs_2014_bmw_i8_comparison/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;.
I would've much rather seen a brand new car, a new roadster, that would take on Nissan's Gozilla and the McLaren P1 but it's obvious Tesla isn't ready yet. The D is a great direction, though, and the Model X should be a direct hit at the Cayenne Turbo and X6 M.
If you look at the specs, http://www.caranddriver.com/bmw/i8" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;, for the price, the Model S P85D kicks the BMW's ass, hands down.
Musk is a car guy and no way is he going to let the i8 have any advantage (you can argue about style). Here's the Motor Trend comparison: http://www.motortrend.com/roadtests/alternative/1408_2014_tesla_model_s_p85_vs_2014_bmw_i8_comparison/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;.
I would've much rather seen a brand new car, a new roadster, that would take on Nissan's Gozilla and the McLaren P1 but it's obvious Tesla isn't ready yet. The D is a great direction, though, and the Model X should be a direct hit at the Cayenne Turbo and X6 M.
Wennfred
Well-known member
lorenfb said:
Model X is pretty much SOLD OUT, why talk about it.
Fred
Wennfred said:
Right, when they have no production date nor delivery date for the Model X.
As someone in this thread put it; "D is for distraction".
A good way to scam the market is by taking deposits on the next model to generate working capital
which falling sales on an existing model fails to produce.
BestPal
Well-known member
As someone already mentioned Musk is car guy and in an interview prior to the "D" event he mentioned that he wanted to make the D match the performance of McLaren F1 that he used to own. And that's the main point here. Here is a car guy.
3.2 INSANE 0-60 acceleration is exactly what McLaren F1 did. Here is something to put 3.2 sec into perspective, a 2009 Bugatti Veyron vs 1993 Mercedes McLaren F1 drag race:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RXqSedWSu2k" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
3.2 seconds... such performance in a 5 passenger family sedan is uncharted territory for sub half-a-million $ gasoline cars at a fraction of the cost all while delivering MPGe better than a Prius in every day driving.
Yeah man... what a bunch of little scamers those Tesla guys are, aren't they? Investing into R&D and doing something that no one has ever done and achieving results that no one could dream of in gasoline cars and targeting a certain market with phenomenal product at a fraction of the cost of competition. What a bunch of bozos they must be, eh? Geezzzz
3.2 INSANE 0-60 acceleration is exactly what McLaren F1 did. Here is something to put 3.2 sec into perspective, a 2009 Bugatti Veyron vs 1993 Mercedes McLaren F1 drag race:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RXqSedWSu2k" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
3.2 seconds... such performance in a 5 passenger family sedan is uncharted territory for sub half-a-million $ gasoline cars at a fraction of the cost all while delivering MPGe better than a Prius in every day driving.
lorenfb said:
Yeah man... what a bunch of little scamers those Tesla guys are, aren't they? Investing into R&D and doing something that no one has ever done and achieving results that no one could dream of in gasoline cars and targeting a certain market with phenomenal product at a fraction of the cost of competition. What a bunch of bozos they must be, eh? Geezzzz
GRA
Well-known member
It's really not worth your time.BestPal said:
