smkettner
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Has Nissan even installed one QC yet? Not part of any program but actually NISSAN paying for the space, equipment and installation.
GregH said:. . . . I hope they can bridge some gaps between Santa Barbara and Palm Springs![/quote said:Exactly! Nissan sells Leafs in many CA areas but there are long gaps with no charging. So our Leaf is only a local car, even as good as it is. Perhaps we need to form a charging co-op with locations allowing us to link-up with the large population centers, allowing all to extend their EV travels.
FontanaNissan said:Our dealership should be on this list unless something changes. As soon as we have the confirmation, we will post it here on this thread! <on the above-referenced thread, not this one>
smkettner said:Has Nissan even installed one QC yet? Not part of any program but actually NISSAN paying for the space, equipment and installation.
This tells me Nissan is really installing zero. I wish Nissan would quit with the hipe and taking credit :roll:vrwl said:I'm sad to hear this is going to be part of the eVGo network. I refuse to sign up for a monthly charging plan when I may only use the chargers once or twice a month.
smkettner said:This tells me Nissan is really installing zero. I wish Nissan would quit with the hipe and taking credit :roll:
smkettner said:This tells me Nissan is really installing zero. I wish Nissan would quit with the hipe and taking credit :roll:vrwl said:I'm sad to hear this is going to be part of the eVGo network. I refuse to sign up for a monthly charging plan when I may only use the chargers once or twice a month.
Different from renters, for sure - they usually don't have a garage! But not different from me. At this point I forgo the free charging at work because the inconvenience of digging out the EVSE cable far outweighs the pennies per month I save. I'd rather charge at home where the EVSE stays mounted on the wall, and I simply plug it into the car and walk away.DaveinOlyWA said:I guess i an different then because the convenience of charging in my garage Farr outweighs the cost of my EVSE
GetOffYourGas said:Interestingly, just down the Thruway in the 5th largest city (Syracuse), we have a decent L2 infrastructure - at the mall, at another major shopping center, and downtown (walking distance to the restaurant/bar district). Trouble is, they cost $2.40/hr so almost nobody is using them.
However, as stated elsewhere, these QC stations make far more sense between cities. They should be halfway between Buffalo/Rochester, and Rochester/Syracuse. Then L2 should be deployed within the cities.
I would personally love to see a QC in Auburn, NY and Cortland, NY. These would greatly extend my range. The trouble is, they are small towns in mostly rural counties. Nissan is not likely to deploy anything there because not many live there. But thousands could be passing through, and that's what QC is for.
I'm still eagerly awaiting that list. March 31st? It can't come soon enough!
Hmmm ... so you're saying for renters and multi-dwelling owners without home charging, the EVs are best served by the gas-station-model ! Except that it doesn't fill up as quickOrientExpress said:I would like to say that I have had a reversal of thinking on the merits of the eVgo business model. While it may not make sense for those that live in a home where they can install their own L2 EVSE, and a monthly fee model for all you can eat of $50 ~$100 may seem overpriced, it is still brilliant, and if you are for increasing the adoption of EVs you should get behind it.
Why?
Because half of the potential market for EVs and the next wave of EV adoption will come from people that live in multi-family dwellings and have no ability to have a private charger, or on premiss charging. Right now, they are locked out of the EV market.
Considering that renters currently comprise only a small fraction of US EV owners at the current time, I will predict that eVgo will struggle to fit their "square peg" of a business model into the "round hole" of demand that currently exists. The EV market is small enough already without further constraining it with poor business practices.OrientExpress said:I would like to say that I have had a reversal of thinking on the merits of the eVgo business model. While it may not make sense for those that live in a home where they can install their own L2 EVSE, and a monthly fee model for all you can eat of $50 ~$100 may seem overpriced, it is still brilliant, and if you are for increasing the adoption of EVs you should get behind it.
Why?
Because half of the potential market for EVs and the next wave of EV adoption will come from people that live in multi-family dwellings and have no ability to have a private charger, or on premiss charging. Right now, they are locked out of the EV market.
IMHO, QC as an alternative to overnight charging is a temporary aberation, albeit possibly necessary, to the EV paradigm, which is that the EV should have the ability to charge whenever parked. Eventually, even those in multi-family dwellings will have the ability to charge overnight. But having the ability to QC whenever necessary is also part of the long term EV paradigm, however we need a flexible pricing model which includes both subscription and pay-per-use plans, so the user can pick the pricing model which works best for them. By offering subscription only, EVgo would be locking themselves out of selling to occasional use customers, which make up almost all of the current base of EV drivers, and IMHO will make up the almost all of EV drivers after the temporary aberation of no overnight charging for some potential drivers disappears.OrientExpress said:half of the potential market for EVs and the next wave of EV adoption will come from people that live in multi-family dwellings and have no ability to have a private charger, or on premiss charging. Right now, they are locked out of the EV market.
eVgo's initial business model is to have L2/L3 chargers every 5~10 miles in the top urban areas, so for someone that lives in an apartment or condo they can reliability find a charge station as part of their normal commute.
Regarding the italicized part, what makes you so certain about that? When I lived in WA state, I lived in apartments the whole time, for over 9 years in total. Why would a landlord want to spend the $ to install charging stations? What's in it for them? Who would pay to fix broken and vandalized stations, esp. those damaged by copper thieves?tps said:IMHO, QC as an alternative to overnight charging is a temporary aberation, albeit possibly necessary, to the EV paradigm, which is that the EV should have the ability to charge whenever parked. Eventually, even those in multi-family dwellings will have the ability to charge overnight. But having the ability to QC whenever necessary is also part of the long term EV paradigm, however we need a flexible pricing model which includes both subscription and pay-per-use plans, so the user can pick the pricing model which works best for them....OrientExpress said:half of the potential market for EVs and the next wave of EV adoption will come from people that live in multi-family dwellings and have no ability to have a private charger, or on premiss charging. Right now, they are locked out of the EV market.
eVgo's initial business model is to have L2/L3 chargers every 5~10 miles in the top urban areas, so for someone that lives in an apartment or condo they can reliability find a charge station as part of their normal commute.
So, why would a landlord want to spend the $ to install TV cables in every unit or build kiddie parks? What's in it for them? You know perfectly well what is in it for them -- a higher rental price. As for vandalism, I'll bet a "Danger: High Voltage" sign would be quite effective. As would a gated community. Let's face it, it's going to be a decade or more before EVs become common in lower end multifamily units.cwerdna said:Why would a landlord want to spend the $ to install charging stations? What's in it for them? Who would pay to fix broken and vandalized stations, esp. those damaged by copper thieves?
I'd think that cable TV wiring is a requirement for most apartment complexes, at least where there is cable. I lived in 3 different apartment complexes + 2 others (I think) as temporary or summer housing. All of them had cable.planet4ever said:So, why would a landlord want to spend the $ to install TV cables in every unit or build kiddie parks? What's in it for them? You know perfectly well what is in it for them -- a higher rental price. As for vandalism, I'll bet a "Danger: High Voltage" sign would be quite effective. As would a gated community. Let's face it, it's going to be a decade or more before EVs become common in lower end multifamily units.cwerdna said:Why would a landlord want to spend the $ to install charging stations? What's in it for them? Who would pay to fix broken and vandalized stations, esp. those damaged by copper thieves?
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It is unfortunate that Nissan is wasting so much money investing in a quick charging network which will not meet the needs of many LEAF owners. This is an good example of how their experience with the Japanese market is clouding their judgment in the US market. This is also an example where the existing gas-station model makes real sense.
Re: cost to the user, it needs to be comparable to fueling an average ICEV. Better yet, it should be comparable to fueling an efficient ICEV (e.g. Prius). Otherwise, people aren't going to bother unless there's a sudden gas price shock, severe supply disruption or shortage, esp. a prolonged or permanent one.
So, why would a landlord want to spend the $ to install TV cables in every unit or build kiddie parks? What's in it for them? You know perfectly well what is in it for them -- a higher rental price. As for vandalism, I'll bet a "Danger: High Voltage" sign would be quite effective. As would a gated community. Let's face it, it's going to be a decade or more before EVs become common in lower end multifamily units.
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