Brodergate: "low-grade ethics violation"

[Zythryn]

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What you are saying is that if you park your car at a rest stop and eat dinner and then get back into the car, all the range losses that occur when you are eating can't be counted when calculating the range of the car. I guess that's OK but it looks like the Model S loses more range just sitting there for eight hours than the Leaf has in the first place. Basically the deal is that if you're going on a trip in the Model S you can't stop! No pedal to the metal but definitely pedal down. :lol:

The range isn't really lost. The range shown on the dash is estimated in part by the current conditions. If those conditions worsen after you park, such as if the batter pack cools off, the estimated range will be less. There are also vehicle systems that will draw a small amount of power even when the car is off, so that will also lower the range estimate.
So when you start driving again you will regain much of that range. A good example of this can be seen in a consumer reports piece : http://news.consumerreports.org/cars/2013/02/tesla-model-s-winter-chills-limit-the-electric-cars-range.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

The weakness in my mind is that the Model S should let you display the estimated range rather than the 'Rated' range just under the speedometer. However, it is easy enough to see in the energy graph and actually is very handy as it allows the user to get an estimate based on the last 5,15 or 30 miles, or even an instantaneous estimate (although I don't find that one very useful myself).

 

[DaveinOlyWA]

Brodering : v. Deliberately run out of charge and stall an EV. Could also be because of ignorance or criminal negligence.

:lol:

On a sober note: Imagine what you and I could do with a car (like Leaf) with a 260 mile range. Fer god's sake! Life would be so easy, would it not?

I have had a couple of range decisions to make on recent trips. One was stop at Nissan for 15 minutes or keep going; the other make a store stop or head straight home? Both times I went for it and came limping home (read 54 mph or less) with 3 lines blinking at me.

Ranging - it's an art now. Kid you not.

"limping?" so loss of power? guessing not. not sure I can understand that. I guess its our inalienable right to ignore the posted speed limit.

this really illustrates the point of having a better range estimator. I have one that works great. the SOC meter but it takes work on my part to figure out the range and shouldnt have to be that way. If you knew you were going to be close, then instead of driving 65 for the first 40 miles and 55 the next 20 you could drive 60 mph and be fine.

besides; that blinking? nothing to worry about in the shadow of your own garage!

 

[cwerdna]

Not sure if this has been posted yet.

TMC Members Recreate NYTimes "Failed" Roadtrip:
http://www.teslamotorsclub.com/entry.php/56-TMC-Members-Recreate-NYTimes-quot-Failed-quot-Roadtrip" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Someone put up a video of the view to the approach to the Milford, CT superchargers: http://www.youtube.com/v/-3fO_OHpyYw" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

http://new.livestream.com/accounts/1473684/events/1887075" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; has a movie of them approaching those Milford, CT superchargers. At the ~20:51 mark is when they pull into the area w/the superchargers. They don't look like they're that hard to find.

I haven't followed their planning but if I were doing the run, I'd have personally staggered the starts a bit so the other folks aren't waiting to charge. It'd be way less social but would be faster.

 

[DaveEV]

Anyone else notice that Broder really seemed to nearly constantly bounce his speed up and down in a 5-10 mph range nearly all the time on the highway except for where he appeared to use cruise control somewhere between miles ~150-200 and to a lesser degree miles 425-450?

Is that typical of traffic on that road or driving in general or was he trying to "pulse and glide" using regen to increase efficiency, but in reality killing efficiency? Seems peculiar...

 

[evnow]

I think the biggest give away is his claim of "white knuckles and frozen feet" - while never really going below 70 degrees. Why make up such stuff - unless you really want to portray the car in poor light ?

I began following Tesla’s range-maximization guidelines, which meant dispensing with such battery-draining amenities as warming the cabin and keeping up with traffic. I turned the climate control to low — the temperature was still in the 30s — and planted myself in the far right lane with the cruise control set at 54 miles per hour (the speed limit is 65). Buicks and 18-wheelers flew past, their drivers staring at the nail-polish-red wondercar with California dealer plates.

Nearing New York, I made the first of several calls to Tesla officials about my creeping range anxiety. The woman who had delivered the car told me to turn off the cruise control; company executives later told me that advice was wrong. All the while, my feet were freezing and my knuckles were turning white.

 

[surfingslovak]

https://twitter.com/TeslaRoadTrip" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

http://www.teslamotorsclub.com/showthread.php/13905-Recreating-the-NY-Times-Road-Trip-We-re-on-This-Weekend" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;!

 

[cwerdna]

All Things D piece on the drive by Model S owners:
http://allthingsd.com/20130217/tesla-owners-hit-the-road-to-prove-long-distance-can-be-done/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

@TeslaRoadTrip participants tout their Model S sedans and their trip to tweak the New York Times:
http://www.siliconvalley.com/ci_22610702/teslaroadtrip-participants-tout-their-model-s-sedans-and" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

 

[surfingslovak]

Aaron Schildkraut just finished his blog post about the event; looks like they had a lot of fun.

Taking a Road Trip In the Tesla Model S

 

[evnow]

MYT's public editor responds ...

http://publiceditor.blogs.nytimes.com/2013/02/18/problems-with-precision-and-judgment-but-not-integrity-in-tesla-test/#more-3373" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

 

[thankyouOB]

so i guess we blame the cold cold weather...and the commenters at the NYT start out with the usual prejudiced views, including one cold blast from Dallas about EVs being soviet-style bland.

maybe he should drive a leaf or try talking to folks not soaked in the oil-skewed views that reinforce his prejudices.

please. this car is an answer to our dependence on oil, global warming, air pollution. are we supposed to feel better by fleeing back to our ICEs?

 

[DaveinOlyWA]

MYT's public editor responds ...

http://publiceditor.blogs.nytimes.com/2013/02/18/problems-with-precision-and-judgment-but-not-integrity-in-tesla-test/#more-3373" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

her not wanting to go "point by point" over the trip is pretty understandable since several of Broders actions are indefensible. the statement says nothing and changes nothing.

 

[Herm]

Aaron Schildkraut just finished his blog post about the event; looks like they had a lot of fun.

Every single S in that picture is a blah color.. what about red?.. you 1% are too vanilla

 

[DaveinOlyWA]

Aaron Schildkraut just finished his blog post about the event; looks like they had a lot of fun.

Every single S in that picture is a blah color.. what about red?.. you 1% are too vanilla

thought the same thing but i attribute it to sucky picture quality

 

[Nubo]

Aaron Schildkraut just finished his blog post about the event; looks like they had a lot of fun.

Every single S in that picture is a blah color.. what about red?.. you 1% are too vanilla

Except for the red, most of the colors are fairly bland. I guess the Lawrence Welk crowd is still buying cars. The Roadster palette was much more exciting.

Same with the LEAF though. How many shades of gray does one need? :roll:

 

[evnow]

Elon tweets "Appreciate thoughtful @Sulliview article. Faith in @nytimes restored."

Looks like Musk & Sullivan reached some kind of a deal to bury this controversy. Sullivan issued a non-apology, apology - and Musk says "faith restored".

Sigh.

 

[KevinSharpe]

Elon tweets "Appreciate thoughtful @Sulliview article. Faith in @nytimes restored."

Looks like Musk & Sullivan reached some kind of a deal to bury this controversy. Sullivan issued a non-apology, apology - and Musk says "faith restored".

Sigh.

yeh, look like a complete cave in on both sides.... hope the whole thing wasn't a planned distraction from this weeks TESLA MOTORS, INC. FOURTH QUARTER 2012 FINANCIAL RESULTS Q&A CONFERENCE CALL

 

[evnow]

yeh, look like a complete cave in on both sides.... hope the whole thing wasn't a planned distraction from this weeks TESLA MOTORS, INC. FOURTH QUARTER 2012 FINANCIAL RESULTS Q&A CONFERENCE CALL

I don't like these kinds of deals. Ofcourse it makes sense from Musk's perspective - not sure about NYT. Definitely their integrity, not high to begin with in my book, has gone down a bit further.

May be it's the EE in me, but fudging numbers is a no-no in my book.

It's ironic that plagiarism created such a big controversy (Jayson Blair), but NYT doesn't care about misreporting. Isn't misreporting worse than plagiarism, in some sense ?

 

[evnow]

to Broder: to waste time and/or energy in an attempt to fail at some task

http://www.teslamotorsclub.com/showthread.php/13920-To-Broder-or-not-to-Broder-that-is-the-question" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

 

[cwerdna]

Not sure if this has been posted yet but the below written by someone who rode along and explained the trip in more detail along w/who participated and went where.

Tesla Model S Road Trip: Electric Cars Make It From DC To CT:
http://www.greencarreports.com/news/1082401_tesla-model-s-road-trip-electric-cars-make-it-from-dc-to-ct" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Thanks to SF BayLeafer for posting it!

 

[lukati]

I submitted a comment on the NYT webpage yesterday. So far it has not been posted. This is what I wrote:

I certainly appreciate that Ms Sullivan was put into a difficult position. She had to articulate an opinion while being influenced, as she surely must have been, by both loyalty to her own institution and a long-time colleague she has every reason to respect on the one hand and by the realization that her colleague wrote a very poor piece on the other. Having said that, I, too, find the little red notebook rationale disappointing for an editor of the NYT. I wonder whether Ms Sullivan is aware of this (http://www.teslamotorsclub.com/showthread.php/13633-NYT-article-Stalled-on-the-EV-Highway/page93?p=277473&viewfull=1#post277473" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false excellent and very logical and transparent analysis. The analysis makes it very clear that the white knuckled, crawling approach to Manhattan so vividly described in the article simply did not happen. Am I naïve to think that a NYT editor would feel obliged to call a spade a spade even if it meant ruffling some internal feathers?