edatoakrun
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All the loads you mention below, are far more intermittent, than a 2-3 hour 7.6 kWh charge session.
No one-except you-said EV charge loads will "kill the grid".
There are costs to charging BEVs during peak demand, that most BEV owners do not have to pay (yet) due to their current (non-TOU) rates.
As far as I'm concerned, you can charge your BEV, run your air conditioner, or do whatever you want, anytime you want, with as much power, as you want to pay for.
I just don't think you should expect others, to subsidise your use.
If you want charge your EV with grid power, during peak demand, it could (gasp!) even be as expensive as Gasoline.
PS. You'd probably save a lot of money, by replacing the electric dryer, and water heater, with natural gas or even propane. Take a look:
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No one-except you-said EV charge loads will "kill the grid".
There are costs to charging BEVs during peak demand, that most BEV owners do not have to pay (yet) due to their current (non-TOU) rates.
As far as I'm concerned, you can charge your BEV, run your air conditioner, or do whatever you want, anytime you want, with as much power, as you want to pay for.
I just don't think you should expect others, to subsidise your use.
If you want charge your EV with grid power, during peak demand, it could (gasp!) even be as expensive as Gasoline.
PS. You'd probably save a lot of money, by replacing the electric dryer, and water heater, with natural gas or even propane. Take a look:
http://www.builditsolar.com/References/Calculators/Fuels/FuelCompare.htm" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
tjz said:I just don't buy this 6-7KW will kill the grid argument. Every time I do the laundry and check out my power usage with my TED, I see my household power spike by just that amount - I have an electric hot water heater and I run my electric dryer. I have a gas oven, but If I had an electric one, and was baking at the same time, I'd see a 10KW spike. The grid is already able to handle those type of fluctuations - I live in a neighborhood with ancient electrical infrastructure and I've not seen exploding transformers or complaints from the utilities when my neighbors and I use our 240V appliances. This is just fear of the unknown, I think.
edatoakrun said:kmp647 said:6.6 is a big deal and they should change it on the 2013 model
example, I make my 64 mile rt commute and arrive home at 4 pm with 2-3 bars
I want to use the leaf to drive 14-16 miles each way to baseball practice with my son.
cant do it, even plugged in for 1 hour at the low 3.3k rate i only get to 4 bars and I'm to nervous and take the ICE.
If I had 6.6kw , I would have been up to 6 bars plus by departure time.
Your dream, and your utility's, and your regional electric grid's load managers' nightmares.
Maximum BEV charge demand, perfectly timed for summer afternoon maximum grid demand.
Many new electricity generation plants would need to be built, and the local infrastructure in you neighborhood, would also need to be upgraded, at great expense, since many other BEV owners will have the same plans.
Someone will either have to pay a hell of a lot per kWh for that charging behavior, or you will shift to an alternative.
Even if you get a faster L2, you will probably prefer a much cheaper alternative, a charge in the AM at work (or another L2 paring space) or to use a fast charge station, earlier in the day.