One was done charging -- which means he was there a long time.
How does it mean that? It takes all of 45 minutes to charge a PIP from empty to full on L-2. They could have been there all of an hour, or even less.
One was done charging -- which means he was there a long time.
TomT said:A co-worker has a PiP and he readily admits that he has never plugged it in and doesn't plan to... He simply wanted the stickers and the better MPG...
PiP tends to take a bit under 1.5 hours on L2 to reach full charge. It's not done in 45 minutes. I've started sessions for a few at my work before. It has a fairly wimpy OBC that seems only pull ~2.1 kW at 208 volts.LeftieBiker said:One was done charging -- which means he was there a long time.
How does it mean that? It takes all of 45 minutes to charge a PIP from empty to full on L-2.
He was still there (still fully charged) 3 hours later when I came back.LeftieBiker said:One was done charging -- which means he was there a long time.
How does it mean that? It takes all of 45 minutes to charge a PIP from empty to full on L-2. They could have been there all of an hour, or even less.
PiP tends to take a bit under 1.5 hours on L2 to reach full charge. It's not done in 45 minutes. I've started sessions for a few at my work before. It has a fairly wimpy OBC that seems only pull ~2.1 kW at 208 volts.
The real question is: Had the vehicle been a Volt or Leaf, would you have had the same reaction to him being there fully charged?jlv said:He was still there (still fully charged) 3 hours later when I came back.
http://www.toyota.com/prius-plug-in-hybrid/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; says " Prius Plug-in Hybrid’s Lithium-ion battery charges in three hours from a standard 120V AC outlet,18 or about half that time from a 240V charger."LeftieBiker said:PiP tends to take a bit under 1.5 hours on L2 to reach full charge. It's not done in 45 minutes. I've started sessions for a few at my work before. It has a fairly wimpy OBC that seems only pull ~2.1 kW at 208 volts.
It takes 3 hours on L-1, which matches the claimed time by Toyota, so I assumed it also matched on L-2.
Ridiculous, no? At least clip a full sentence.hill said:....... snip...... . * thread on Prius chat.
LOl! On the 1st two points, well before the PiP existed, there have been anecdotal complaints about the 1st two points re: Prius drivers. And, Mr. Roadshow published some letters to that effect at http://www.mercurynews.com/mrroadshow/ci_11917435" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;. At the time, he himself was a Prius driver. Not sure about now.adric22 said:This thread is funny. I see people complaining that PiP drivers are rude because they drive so slow in the HOV lane. Then others are claiming PiPs are rude because they are driving at very high speed in the HOV lane. While others are complaining that PiP drivers never plug in their car, and yet others are complaining that they plug them in too often.
I think what we're witnessing is a perfect case of anecdotal evidence. We don't really have any scientific statistics.
cwerdna said:http://www.toyota.com/prius-plug-in-hybrid/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; says " Prius Plug-in Hybrid’s Lithium-ion battery charges in three hours from a standard 120V AC outlet,18 or about half that time from a 240V charger."LeftieBiker said:PiP tends to take a bit under 1.5 hours on L2 to reach full charge. It's not done in 45 minutes. I've started sessions for a few at my work before. It has a fairly wimpy OBC that seems only pull ~2.1 kW at 208 volts.
It takes 3 hours on L-1, which matches the claimed time by Toyota, so I assumed it also matched on L-2.
http://toyotanews.pressroom.toyota.com/releases/2015+toyota+prius+plug+in+hybrid+revolutionary.htm" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; says "Recharging using an external AC outlet takes approximately 2.5 to 3.0 hours using a standard household outlet or about 1.5 hours using a 240V EV charger (Toyota.leviton.com)..."
adric22 said:The real question is: Had the vehicle been a Volt or Leaf, would you have had the same reaction to him being there fully charged?
TomT said:A co-worker has a PiP and he readily admits that he has never plugged it in and doesn't plan to... He simply wanted the stickers and the better MPG...
LeftieBiker said:I have yet to see an actual fact-based correlation that shows that the PIPs using HOV lanes are mostly not being charged. So far it's just opinion and innuendo.
currently running polls at various sites and its running between 16.2 and 18.8% of people who do not plug in at every opportunity including people who plug in "occasionally or rarely at home"
DaveinOlyWA said:TomT said:A co-worker has a PiP and he readily admits that he has never plugged it in and doesn't plan to... He simply wanted the stickers and the better MPG...
LeftieBiker said:I have yet to see an actual fact-based correlation that shows that the PIPs using HOV lanes are mostly not being charged. So far it's just opinion and innuendo.
currently running polls at various sites and its running between 16.2 and 18.8% of people who do not plug in at every opportunity including people who plug in "occasionally or rarely at home"
LeftieBiker said:currently running polls at various sites and its running between 16.2 and 18.8% of people who do not plug in at every opportunity including people who plug in "occasionally or rarely at home"
That's fairly low, and indicative of normal human behavior, if I read that sentence correctly. Although not plugging in "at every opportunity" is too strict a standard. Almost no one meets that one.
Yes. Leaving a fully charged car plugging in and hogging a charging spot is bad behavior.adric22 said:The real question is: Had the vehicle been a Volt or Leaf, would you have had the same reaction to him being there fully charged?jlv said:He was still there (still fully charged) 3 hours later when I came back.
jlv said:Yes. Leaving a fully charged car plugging in and hogging a charging spot is bad behavior.adric22 said:The real question is: Had the vehicle been a Volt or Leaf, would you have had the same reaction to him being there fully charged?jlv said:He was still there (still fully charged) 3 hours later when I came back.
However, I tend to feel that using a limited public charging resource for plugging in a "tiny battery" vehicle like the PIP borders on bad etiquette.
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