Nissan To Install 500 More Quick Charge Stations

[GRA]

Now that Nissan is about 7 months into this project, how many of these 500 stations are up and running ?

Who knows? There were apparently 24 in the demonstration phase. Nissan thinks it's best to keep it all a big _seekrut_ from their customers, the people who'd use them and would like to offer comments as to the best and worst places to put them. Nissan (actually OE IIRR) made it clear months ago, in this thread or another, that they weren't going to announce where they were thinking about putting the chargers, i.e. suggestions not wanted. That way they have plausible deniability when things don't go as quickly as planned, or a dealer refuses to install a charger at all. Just another example of Nissan's general attitude to customer communication and input. Compare with Tesla and decide which you prefer.

Oh thank you Tesla for screwing the entire EV community by using plugs that don't fit any other EV except Tesla. Enjoy your exclusive supercharger network for the occasional visit by millionaire owner.

Tesla has said they're open to licensing the chargers and connectors to other manufacturers, so other cars may well wind up using them. At the rate that Tesla is installing Superchargers, they've either already or will soon have a greater # installed (but not in as many locations, as they don't need as many with their range).

As a potential user I don't care which standard is ultimately agreed upon, or if we wind up with a couple. All I care about is being able to connect and get electricity anywhere I need to, and I'll leave the details to the engineers. OTOH, as someone who has an eye for design and ergonomics, I find the need to have two separate charge receptacles for the same car to be an unnecessary complication, and I expect it's probably more costly as well as taking up extra real estate. CCS looks like a kludge and is big and ugly (as is CHAdeMo), but I expect it to work okay. If I were emperor and could dictate which standard to use in North America, I'd go for Tesla, as it's small and elegant, and Tesla has been showing people how fast you can build a good network if you're committed to it. For Europe I like the Type 2 Menneke's, but it's too power limited for BEVs with larger batteries like the S.

 

[TonyWilliams]

... If I were emperor and could dictate which standard to use in North America, I'd go for Tesla, as it's small and elegant, and Tesla has been showing people how fast you can build a good network if you're committed to it. For Europe I like the Type 2 Menneke's, but it's too power limited for BEVs with larger batteries like the S.

I've got bad news for you; Tesla is using the Menneks Type 2 in Europe!!! The Tesla Superchargers will use that plug with a modification to make sure it can't plug into a non-Tesla car, but of course, a Tesla can use any public Mennekes single or three phase AC (22kW and 43kW), and also use DC.

 

[GRA]

... If I were emperor and could dictate which standard to use in North America, I'd go for Tesla, as it's small and elegant, and Tesla has been showing people how fast you can build a good network if you're committed to it. For Europe I like the Type 2 Menneke's, but it's too power limited for BEVs with larger batteries like the S.

I've got bad news for you; Tesla is using the Menneks Type 2 in Europe!!! The Tesla Superchargers will use that plug with a modification to make sure it can't plug into a non-Tesla car, but of course, a Tesla can use any public Mennekes single or three phase AC (22kW and 43kW), and also use DC.

No bad news for me. Tesla is installing Superchargers in Europe for QC'ing:

http://pulse2.com/2013/07/29/tesla-motors-inc-tsla-ramping-up-in-europe-and-china-building-supercharger-in-norway-90635/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

 

[TonyWilliams]

No bad news for me. Tesla is installing Superchargers in Europe for QC'ing:

With a Mennekes Type 2 plug! I actually saw the plugs in the cars headed to Europe, and the Supercharger with the Mennekes plug on it July 14, 2013 at the Tesla factory.

 

[mwalsh]

With a Mennekes Type 2 plug! I actually saw the plugs in the cars headed to Europe, and the Supercharger with the Mennekes plug on it July 14, 2013 at the Tesla factory.

Got a feeling you'll still get the bums rush if you roll up on a Supercharger with anything other than a Model S. Except in Germany "Vhere you vill be shot!"

 

[GRA]

No bad news for me. Tesla is installing Superchargers in Europe for QC'ing:

With a Mennekes Type 2 plug! I actually saw the plugs in the cars headed to Europe, and the Supercharger with the Mennekes plug on it July 14, 2013 at the Tesla factory.

I thought the Menneke's _PLUG_ was limited to 43 kW. Or is that just the charger?

Edit: I did find this thread over at TMC, which discusses it:

http://www.teslamotorsclub.com/showthread.php/16231-Should-Type-2-(Mennekes" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false-be-adopted-as-world-plug-(or-in-USA-at-least)

If the Menneke's Type 2 can handle high current DC, I'd go for it here. This wiki http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IEC_62196" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; seems to imply that it can't at the moment.

 

[EVerlasting]

If this NJ legislation passes, it will be possible to travel on New Jersey Turnpike with a Leaf from New York City to Philadelphia, using CHAdeMO chargers. Of course Governor Christie will probably veto it, unless he is defeated by Sen. Buono during this November's election.
http://www.njleg.state.nj.us/2012/Bills/A2000/1996_I1.HTM

Some of the dozens of other Electric Vehicle charging legislations depending on these elections:[/i]:
http://www.njleg.state.nj.us/2012/Bills/A2500/2416_I1.HTM
http://www.njleg.state.nj.us/2012/Bills/A3500/3419_I1.HTM
http://www.njleg.state.nj.us/2012/Bills/A1000/750_I1.HTM
http://www.njleg.state.nj.us/2012/Bills/A1000/821_I1.HTM
http://www.njleg.state.nj.us/2012/Bills/A1000/822_I1.HTMhttp://www.njleg.state.nj.us/2012/Bills/S2500/2193_I1.HTM

 

[jrreno]

If this NJ legislation passes, it will be possible to travel on New Jersey Turnpike with a Leaf from New York City to Philadelphia, using CHAdeMO chargers. Of course Governor Christie will probably veto it, unless he is defeated by Sen. Buono during this November's election.
http://www.njleg.state.nj.us/2012/Bills/A2000/1996_I1.HTM

It defines Level 3 as 480 volt ALTERNATING current , oops!

 

[TomT]

Christie is so popular, and rightly so, that I suspect his defeat is unlikely...

If this NJ legislation passes, it will be possible to travel on New Jersey Turnpike with a Leaf from New York City to Philadelphia, using CHAdeMO chargers. Of course Governor Christie will probably veto it, unless he is defeated by Sen. Buono during this November's election.

 

[planet4ever]

It defines Level 3 as 480 volt ALTERNATING current , oops!

Oops, yourself. The SAE defines Level 3 as high power AC or DC charging beyond that provided by their combo plug. In other words, neither CHAdeMO nor "Frankenplug" are L3. Since it was the SAE that created the term "Level 3", we should let them define it, and stop misusing it.

http://www.sae.org/smartgrid/chargingspeeds.pdf

Ray

 

[jrreno]

It defines Level 3 as 480 volt ALTERNATING current , oops!

Oops, yourself. The SAE defines Level 3 as high power AC or DC charging beyond that provided by their combo plug. In other words, neither CHAdeMO nor "Frankenplug" are L3. Since it was the SAE that created the term "Level 3", we should let them define it, and stop misusing it.

http://www.sae.org/smartgrid/chargingspeeds.pdf

Ray

So the New Jersey legislation effectively specifies these stations must be SAE standard?

 

[Valdemar]

Universal city Nissan QC is still off, finding it out the hard way. Had to take an unexpected detour today, called them up ahead of time and they reassured me it was working. Got here just above VLBW and the charger is off, they are still waiting for the city to sign off. I'm now stuck here on L2. Morons.

 

[GRA]

Universal city Nissan QC is still off, finding it out the hard way. Had to take an unexpected detour today, called them up ahead of time and they reassured me it was working. Got here just above VLBW and the charger is off, they are still waiting for the city to sign off. I'm now stuck here on L2. Morons.

They got you in the door, which is all that matters to most dealers.

 

[Valdemar]

Universal city Nissan QC is still off, finding it out the hard way. Had to take an unexpected detour today, called them up ahead of time and they reassured me it was working. Got here just above VLBW and the charger is off, they are still waiting for the city to sign off. I'm now stuck here on L2. Morons.

They got you in the door, which is all that matters to most dealers.

If all they wanted to make sure I never buy a car from them then they can call the task accomplished

 

[TomT]

The encyclopedia under "Morons", it says, "See Universal Nissan..." It's the last place I would ever go to buy or service any Nissan.

Universal city Nissan QC is still off, finding it out the hard way. Had to take an unexpected detour today, called them up ahead of time and they reassured me it was working. Got here just above VLBW and the charger is off, they are still waiting for the city to sign off. I'm now stuck here on L2. Morons.

 

[DaveEV]

Universal city Nissan QC is still off, finding it out the hard way. Had to take an unexpected detour today, called them up ahead of time and they reassured me it was working. Got here just above VLBW and the charger is off, they are still waiting for the city to sign off. I'm now stuck here on L2. Morons.

While I realize that you're frustrated, PlugShare clearly says that the QC is not ready to go yet as of a week ago and Recargo says the same as of 2 days ago. Not safe to assume it's functional or turned on until you see at least report saying so and if there's any question, calling the dealership ahead of time is a good idea...

 

[Valdemar]

Universal city Nissan QC is still off, finding it out the hard way. Had to take an unexpected detour today, called them up ahead of time and they reassured me it was working. Got here just above VLBW and the charger is off, they are still waiting for the city to sign off. I'm now stuck here on L2. Morons.

While I realize that you're frustrated, PlugShare clearly says that the QC is not ready to go yet as of a week ago and Recargo says the same as of 2 days ago. Not safe to assume it's functional or turned on until you see at least report saying so and if there's any question, calling the dealership ahead of time is a good idea...

Did you read my post? I called them and they told me it was working. The upside is that I now know I can make it to Hollywood on 3 bars from Agoura Hills

 

[DaveEV]

Did you read my post? I called them and they told me it was working. The upside is that I now know I can make it to Hollywood on 3 bars from Agoura Hills

Sorry, you're right. Whoever you talked to must have mistaken your request for the regular L2 station or was misinformed...

 

[Valdemar]

Did you read my post? I called them and they told me it was working. The upside is that I now know I can make it to Hollywood on 3 bars from Agoura Hills

Sorry, you're right. Whoever you talked to must have mistaken your request for the regular L2 station or was misinformed...

Possibly, however I did ask specifically (repeated 2 times) about their new shining fast charger that was just recently installed and it appeared they knew what I was talking about but made no effort to confirm it was actually operational.

 

[RonDawg]

Did you read my post? I called them and they told me it was working. The upside is that I now know I can make it to Hollywood on 3 bars from Agoura Hills

Sorry, you're right. Whoever you talked to must have mistaken your request for the regular L2 station or was misinformed...

Possibly, however I did ask specifically (repeated 2 times) about their new shining fast charger that was just recently installed and it appeared they knew what I was talking about but made no effort to confirm it was actually operational.

Did you talk to the receptionist, a salesperson, or a service writer or mechanic in the service department? I would not expect the first two, especially the receptionist, to know the difference between L2 and QC.