AndyH
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Herm said:Obviously the $7500 tax credit, and the mortgage interest deduction are handouts, but mostly I was referring to recurring handouts.. welfare pmts, public employees, social security, police salaries etc. No sane voter will vote out the politician that puts food on his table. Its inevitable that the system will eventually collapse since its unbalanced.. a much stronger possibility than AGW is real
Herm, if you'll indulge me... This is the part I don't understand about folks that apparently see the world as you do.
First, the greenhouse effect is very solid and has been well understood for more than 150 years. Scientists around the world have been monitoring our emissions and have done thousands? of experiments to answer the "what could happen if we keep doing this" question. So the science of climate change - and the solid facts that we're breaking things - are well known and there's zero debate in the scientific community about this.
But there is POLITICAL debate - and the 'appearance of debate' was not started by science but by political strategists and 'think tanks' being funded by the industry segments that are profiting from the uncertainty. This manufactured uncertainty is perpetuated in order to keep things stuck the way they are. The Reagan administration wanted the Strategic Defense Initiative - so they created a PR campaign to instill and maintain fear in the American people. The tobacco industry wanted to maintain their profits - so they created doubt about the negative effects of smoking. Same thing with DDT, acid rain, and now global warming. The SCIENCE was solid in each case, but the artificially manufactured doubt was politically motivated.
The simple fact is that people that don't 'believe' in global warming have chosen - consciously or not - to completely disregard science and instead side with a politically-motivated smoke and mirrors campaign.
And those same well-practiced techniques are being used in the debt talks. According to the Constitution, the budget work is supposed to occur in the House. It's their job! But one wouldn't get that message if they listen to Speaker Boehner and his freshman sidekick - they're spending all their time deflecting their inability to do their jobs and trying to pin it in on the President. But wait - aren't these the folks - especially the recent teaparty inductees - that enthusiastically suggest we read the Constitution?! How difficult is it to see the hypocrisy here?
Public employee salaries are hand-outs? Police? Social security? How about my military retirement amigo? And my VA disability? Are those handouts too? Are you really trying to suggest that the country would be better off if we didn't have an interstate highway system, didn't have food and drug rules, didn't have water and sewer systems or air and water quality standards? No police, no fire departments? No space program either, I guess - so kiss tang and velcro good bye ...along with the medical and scientific spin-offs. No military or associated industries. How's unemployment looking in your world once you give everyone in Federal and State government pink slips?
I guess that leaves us here. Feel free to pack your things - you'll like this:
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