I have not recently checked with my neighbors, but several months after the installation of the new battery in their 2011 (to replace a 3-bar loser) they had only regained 1 capacity bar (so indicating 10 iso 12 bars as expected) although the LeafSpy reporting Ah of the pack was getting pretty close to the capacity that I installed the battery with.Valdemar said:This is a very interesting experiment as we may get an idea of how long the delay is after the Ahr drops below a certain threshold until bars disappear.
Cor said:I have not recently checked with my neighbors, but several months after the installation of the new battery in their 2011 (to replace a 3-bar loser) they had only regained 1 capacity bar (so indicating 10 iso 12 bars as expected) although the LeafSpy reporting Ah of the pack was getting pretty close to the capacity that I installed the battery with.Valdemar said:This is a very interesting experiment as we may get an idea of how long the delay is after the Ahr drops below a certain threshold until bars disappear.
The other guy reported 2 weeks and 600 miles after I installed the brand new 2016 (24kWh) battery in his 2011 Leaf
that he had seen the Ah climb from 45 to 58 (updating about twice a day) and he should soon end up close to the 66 Ah that the pack has.
He had not gained a capacity bar yet.
So far the updates - I have the impression that there is a severe Hysteresis on the capacity indication as well as a very long time averaging.
This is also shown from my own 2011 that had the 2015 pack that I installed in my neighbor's car and instead I installed a cold-weather pack that still had 53 Ah which slowly degraded to just under 50 Ah in the past 5 months. Only last month did I lose the first bar....
BTW, I am about to buy another low-miles 2015 battery and am looking for a Leaf to install it into.
I actually have a local Leaf owner who has a 2011 with 3 bars lost, but he wants to sell his car (cheap) instead of upgrade,
so if anyone is interested in a 2011 with a 2015 battery (approx 10k miles) then send me a message!
Total cost (with new battery installed) is $8k
DaveinOlyWA said:Cor said:I have not recently checked with my neighbors, but several months after the installation of the new battery in their 2011 (to replace a 3-bar loser) they had only regained 1 capacity bar (so indicating 10 iso 12 bars as expected) although the LeafSpy reporting Ah of the pack was getting pretty close to the capacity that I installed the battery with.Valdemar said:This is a very interesting experiment as we may get an idea of how long the delay is after the Ahr drops below a certain threshold until bars disappear.
The other guy reported 2 weeks and 600 miles after I installed the brand new 2016 (24kWh) battery in his 2011 Leaf
that he had seen the Ah climb from 45 to 58 (updating about twice a day) and he should soon end up close to the 66 Ah that the pack has.
He had not gained a capacity bar yet.
So far the updates - I have the impression that there is a severe Hysteresis on the capacity indication as well as a very long time averaging.
This is also shown from my own 2011 that had the 2015 pack that I installed in my neighbor's car and instead I installed a cold-weather pack that still had 53 Ah which slowly degraded to just under 50 Ah in the past 5 months. Only last month did I lose the first bar....
BTW, I am about to buy another low-miles 2015 battery and am looking for a Leaf to install it into.
I actually have a local Leaf owner who has a 2011 with 3 bars lost, but he wants to sell his car (cheap) instead of upgrade,
so if anyone is interested in a 2011 with a 2015 battery (approx 10k miles) then send me a message!
Total cost (with new battery installed) is $8k
so this verifies that LEAF Spy will report the true capacity of the pack well before the Nissan instrumentation will? this is strange...
What was the total price for battery, adapter and labor?JPWhite said:Just got back from the dealer today, new battery fitted. LeafSpy and the Nissan instrumentation seem to be in agreement. An 80% charge shows exactly 80% in LEAFspy. I have all 12 capacity bars.
Wow, you had a 5-bar loser!JPWhite said:Just got back from the dealer today, new battery fitted. LeafSpy and the Nissan instrumentation seem to be in agreement. An 80% charge shows exactly 80% in LEAFspy. I have all 12 capacity bars. I suppose if the battery is replaced by a shade tree mechanic the capacity gauge and registers in the LEAF may not be reset. A dealer replacement should register as a new battery on both LEASSpy and the Nissan instrumentation.
I see on your website the 4-day time that the dealer needed for the battery swap. The things that you mention are the same things that the dealer runs into when doing a warranty battery swap:JPWhite said:Pictures of my instrumentation before and after battery swap is at https://jpwhitenissanleaf.com/2016/12/03/new-battery-at-99000-miles/
Cor said:Wow, you had a 5-bar loser!
Cor.
Cor said:The belly pan plastic covers are indeed different, due to the slightly different shape between the 2011/2012 and 2013+ battery shell.
How do you know it's a "small amount of work"? We've already been down this path before, with you involved in the threads. See thesenerys said:This is one of thr reasons i will likely never biy a new leaf. The new high cap battery will physically fit in my 2012 but they refuse to do it.
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If a company can't be bothered to do the small amount of work to allow a range upgrade with the new physically compatible otherwise battery. Then they don't need my money either
No, they weren't ignored. You've chosen to ignore the other possibilities, namely what might be involved with homologation.nerys said:Yes we have talked and my ooints were ignored.
The only relevant connection is physical and bms.
Bms is built into the battery so its not relevant and physically it will fit in the space (same casing)
So the only thing that might not work right and it would probably work good enough is the readouts on the dash being inaccurate.
And i do not care about that.
So yes. Relatively speaking its simple.
cwerdna said:I recognize that Nissan is in the business of selling cars and would probably rather sell/lease you a new one, but if it were as "simple" as you claim, then they'd have already provided it or announced plans to do so.
Actually I think that a 2011 can (in theory) accept the 30 kWh battery as the 2016 Leaf can be had with either 24 or 30 kWh and thefotajoye said:Your only move in a 2011 is to replace the battery with the same low range battery.
nerys said:People who speak of this homoglob crap forget that for all intents and purposes a 2012 leaf is identical crash test wise as far as i know to a 2016 because they are literally the same car. Can anyone confirm or dispute this? Is it not the exact same chassis? Same body? Same interior? With only the gadgets and colors being different?
The other thread DOES address it. You've just again chosen to ignore it.nerys said:And no that other thread does absolutely nothing of the sort that you state here.
No one addresses anything at all except to complain about my usage of units and some giberish about crash testing (same physical casing no crash test change needsd) and aomething about quick charge (which i dont have and dont care about)
Re: the bolded part, they are NOT! Maybe that's what you fail to understand.nerys said:People who speak of this homoglob crap forget that for all intents and purposes a 2012 leaf is identical crash test wise as far as i know to a 2016 because they are literally the same car. Can anyone confirm or dispute this? Is it not the exact same chassis? Same body? Same interior? With only the gadgets and colors being different?
So the only homoglob crap really is software not nths stuff.
Clearly, an '11 or '12 Leaf fitted w/a 30 kWh pack would not meet many specifications for which it was originally certified.Homologation (from the verb homologate, meaning "to approve or confirm officially") is the process of certifying or approving a product to indicate that it meets regulatory standards and specifications, such as safety and technical requirements
Cor said:Actually I think that a 2011 can (in theory) accept the 30 kWh battery as the 2016 Leaf can be had with either 24 or 30 kWh and thefotajoye said:Your only move in a 2011 is to replace the battery with the same low range battery.
mounting is not different from the 2011.
I have never tried though, to put the 30 kWh into a 2011, should be fun!
But that still does not give you Bolt / Model 3 type 200+ mile range...
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