EV Bumper Stickers?

[Levenkay]

State the car's performance in the most relevant and interchangeable units: miles per dollar. Shamelessly copying some other forum member's suggestion, I had some license plate frames made that say: "100% Electric - 40 miles per dollar". An ICE car owner can easily compute their own transportation economy in those units and then make an apples::apples comparison. Or, if they can't quite grasp that, invite them to multiply 40 miles per dollar by the current dollars per gallon price they're paying for their fuel.

 

[Mottyski82]

I just love the old slogan which came as a window decal in the original (original) Prius... I loved it so much, I have it as the plate frame: "Eat My Voltage"

 

[LeftieBiker]

I was playing with one of the sites that lets you see your own text, and came up with:

HYDRO-POWERED

0 Smoke,0 Carbon

The hydroelectric plant that generates our power is about 3/4 of a mile from our house.

 

[nic]

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IO30DsB3VOQ[/youtube]

 

[nic]

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IO30DsB3VOQ[/youtube]

I just love the old slogan which came as a window decal in the original (original) Prius... I loved it so much, I have it as the plate frame: "Eat My Voltage"

GET A LEAF SO YOUR GRANDCHILDREN WON'T HAVE TO WEAR ONE
and jumpstart history all over again

 

[CMYK4Life]

After doing some searching and giving it some thought I ended up with two bumper stickers

1) 'Running on American Electrons' - with an Americal flag graphic defining the background.
2) 'Think Outside the Barrel' with a little black and white gas pump with $$$ on its display with a red circle and line through it.

My intent is to draw attention to the fact that the car is electric and not necessarily
'green' but $$GREEN$$. I am trying to point out that its runing on cheap, local, fuel.

 

[Nfuzzy]

"zero emission" is nice and all, but it doesn't sell cars anywhere near as easily as getting people to understand how cheap these cars are. And I didn't see any examples here of putting the cost in the absolute simplest terms everyone can understand. Either give them your mpg cost equivalent (not the lame understated mpge) or a cost per gallon equivalent. Saying you get 150 miles per gallon cost equivalent or pay the equivalent of 70 cents a gallon is something people can immediately relate to. That or say its about 1/3 to 1/6 the cost of any gas or hybrid car. Almost need an electronic bumper sticker you can update on a daily basis.

 

[jlv]

If I got a bumper sticker, I'd go with one of these from the acronym thread, like Lively, Electric And Fun!

 

[UBUYGAS]

Here's my latest Magnets. They are not "Bumper Stickers" they are magnets that I can take off.

http://instagram.com/p/v1zgm_GT6E/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

#UBUYGAS #SALsLEAF #NJEAA #NISSANLEAF #KICKGAS

 

[UBUYGAS]

Found a new place selling EV Bumper Stickers

http://evsticker-com.myshopify.com/collections/all" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

I just bought a couple but I am not sure of the Quality.

I am not affiliated with them at all.

 

[alanlarson]

"zero emission" is nice and all, but it doesn't sell cars anywhere near as easily as getting people to understand how cheap these cars are. And I didn't see any examples here of putting the cost in the absolute simplest terms everyone can understand.

After driving the Leaf for a month or so, I figured it out in cents per mile. Looks like it is about:

Leaf: (35.7 cents/kWh) / (4.3 miles/kWh) = 8.30 cents/mile
Jetta: (369.9 cents/gal) / (47 miles/gal) = 7.87 cents/mile

Those are real, reported numbers by the leaf, computed from mileage and use on the Jetta constent
over the past few years. The Jetta does a good bit better on the freeway at steady 60+ mph,
the Leaf does worse at 60+ mph, but these are the numbers I get in my driving.

(oh, and for the other poster with the sticker comparing to fueling at Costco - we average 5-10
minutes fueling the gas car there, and it goes 300 miles on a "charge" - the electric cannot put in
300 miles of charge in 10 minutes!)

My point? Be cautious of your claims - they might not be true for everyone.

 

[truav8r]

After driving the Leaf for a month or so, I figured it out in cents per mile. Looks like it is about:

Leaf: (35.7 cents/kWh) / (4.3 miles/kWh) = 8.30 cents/mile
Jetta: (369.9 cents/gal) / (47 miles/gal) = 7.87 cents/mile

Those are real, reported numbers by the leaf, computed from mileage and use on the Jetta constent
over the past few years. The Jetta does a good bit better on the freeway at steady 60+ mph,
the Leaf does worse at 60+ mph, but these are the numbers I get in my driving.

Where do you live that you're paying 35.7¢/kWh for your electric service?? I'm paying roughly 15¢/kWh here in eastern upstate NY and I thought that was high.

 

[aarond12]

Where do you live that you're paying 35.7¢/kWh for your electric service?? I'm paying roughly 15¢/kWh here in eastern upstate NY and I thought that was high.

Probably Hawaii. Electricity prices there are crazy.

 

[2k1Toaster]

After driving the Leaf for a month or so, I figured it out in cents per mile. Looks like it is about:

Leaf: (35.7 cents/kWh) / (4.3 miles/kWh) = 8.30 cents/mile
Jetta: (369.9 cents/gal) / (47 miles/gal) = 7.87 cents/mile

Those are real, reported numbers by the leaf, computed from mileage and use on the Jetta constent
over the past few years. The Jetta does a good bit better on the freeway at steady 60+ mph,
the Leaf does worse at 60+ mph, but these are the numbers I get in my driving.

Where do you live that you're paying 35.7¢/kWh for your electric service?? I'm paying roughly 15¢/kWh here in eastern upstate NY and I thought that was high.

The national average is below $0.10/KWh, so it is only 2.32 cents/mile on average. 3.3 times less expensive than the Jetta.

 

[mgs333]

Where do you live that you're paying 35.7¢/kWh for your electric service?? I'm paying roughly 15¢/kWh here in eastern upstate NY and I thought that was high.

Probably Hawaii. Electricity prices there are crazy.

Or the South Bay area in Northern California (PG&E land), 35.7 looks like the highest tier rate.

 

[cwerdna]

Where do you live that you're paying 35.7¢/kWh for your electric service?? I'm paying roughly 15¢/kWh here in eastern upstate NY and I thought that was high.

Probably Hawaii. Electricity prices there are crazy.

Or the South Bay area in Northern California (PG&E land), 35.7 looks like the highest tier rate.

Yep. Actually, I'm assuming alanlarson is on E-1 (http://www.pge.com/tariffs/tm2/pdf/ELEC_SCHEDS_E-1.pdf" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false, where the highest tiers are 32.445 cents/kwh. See page of that PDF. It's basically for the portion 201% and above of baseline (201% to 300% = tier 4, over 300% of baseline == tier 5) , which are set ridiculously low for households w/multiple people in some (all?) areas. The baselines are set to a "standard" but "average" folks would be into tier 3 (131% to 200% of Baseline) or probably 4: http://www.mynissanleaf.com/viewtopic.php?p=379033#p379033" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;.

My current allocated baseline is at http://www.mynissanleaf.com/viewtopic.php?p=385335#p385335" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;.

If some of you who charge your EVs/PHEVs primarily at home would supply your typical electricity "summer" (May 1 to Oct 31) electricity monthly usage in kwh and $ along w/a "winter" one (Nov 1 to April 30), I could recalculate what it'd be on E-1 w/my baseline. I wouldn't be surprised if many/most of you with multi-person households are well into/beyond tier 4.

As I suggsted to alanlarson at http://www.mynissanleaf.com/viewtopic.php?p=378937#p378937" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;, he should run the PG&E estimator and might save money by going to another plan. I'd guess he could save money by going to an EV plan (EV-A at http://www.pge.com/tariffs/tm2/pdf/ELEC_SCHEDS_EV.pdf" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;, which is Rate A) or E-6 Smart.

BTW, I've seen people quote their electricity rate and one thing irks me is what I posted at http://www.mynissanleaf.com/viewtopic.php?p=352021#p352021" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; w/minor edits:
And, others quote rates by conveniently (?) leaving off random components of the rates (e.g. transmission, delivery charge, nuclear decommissioning, etc.), rather than going by the total. Sometimes, this leads to head scratchers and not believing what the person posted at all. (I've seen some CA rates for quoted by some folks here on MNL and a few other boards that seem TGTBT. And sometimes, when the TGTBT rates are questioned, there's no response.)

 

[cwerdna]

The national average is below $0.10/KWh, so it is only 2.32 cents/mile on average. 3.3 times less expensive than the Jetta.

http://www.eia.gov/electricity/monthly/epm_table_grapher.cfm?t=epmt_5_6_a" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; says it's 12.94 cents/kWh for September 2014 residential. Regardless, good luck w/that in PG&E-land.

On the standard non-TOU plan, E-1 (page 1 of http://www.pge.com/tariffs/tm2/pdf/ELEC_SCHEDS_E-1.pdf" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false, the MINIMUM you'd be charged is 15.293 cents/kWh. Have fun if you start going over your baseline.

I am on E-6 Smart (see page 2 of http://www.pge.com/tariffs/tm2/pdf/ELEC_SCHEDS_E-6.pdf" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false. During peak summer (defined at http://www.pge.com/about/rates/rateinfo/rateoptions/daylightsaving.shtml" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false, basically 1 to 7 pm May thru end of October, it's 31.247 cents/kWh at the cheapest. The cheapest for for tier 1 off-peak is ~12 cents/kWh. The Smart portion gives http://www.pge.com/en/myhome/saveenergymoney/plans/smartrate/index.page?WT.mc_id=Vanity_smartrate" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;.

SmartRate™ gives you a discount at 3¢ per kWh on your June through September monthly rate, or the equivalent of 23% off your Tier 1 usage. In exchange, you pay a surcharge of 60¢ per kWh for your 2-7PM usage for between 9 and 15 PG&E SmartDays™, May through October.

If you're on the above, are into tier 4, on a SmartDay, your "peak" time usage would be billed at $1.08309/kWh (!) instead of $0.48309/kWh.

alanlarson is likely looking at the marginal rate of the cost to charge his EV, that got added. Or... he was already into tier 4 before the EV.

I'd be curious of your electric bill values and costs, as I asked in my earlier post.

"zero emission" is nice and all, but it doesn't sell cars anywhere near as easily as getting people to understand how cheap these cars are.
...
Saying you get 150 miles per gallon cost equivalent or pay the equivalent of 70 cents a gallon is something people can immediately relate to. That or say its about 1/3 to 1/6 the cost of any gas or hybrid car.

To add on to alan's post... If I go by $3/gal and achieve 44 mpg in my 06 Prius (that's about 1 mpg below my lifetime average until I stopped tracking), that's 6.8 cents/mile. Just for kicks, if I use 40 mpg instead, that's 7.5 cents/mile.

If I had to pay what I believe are alan's correct marginal rates (32.445 cents/kWh) and achieved 3.5 miles/kWh out of the all (gotta account for those charging losses), that's 9.27 cents/mile, which is certainly NOT cheaper than my hybrid.

If I only achieve 40 mpg in my Prius (by driving it poorly, doing mostly/all short drives, car problem, etc.) and gas is $4/gal, that's 10 cents/mile, making an EV not THAT much cheaper.

 

[dgpcolorado]

^With those rates I would think that solar would be very popular in PG&E territory, at least for those outside the fog zone.

 

[2k1Toaster]

Doubt no more!

This is the most recent bill I saved locally (which reminds me to maybe pull the other online statements locally soon!) from Feb 2014.

I used 2290KWh that month, and they charged me $238.33 for it. That includes the access charges, capacity charges, the cost adjustment, everything. $238.33 / 2290KWh comes out to $0.1040/KWh, just above 10cents/KWh. I would hate to know what tier and cost that would be in California...

However water here is super expensive. Since we are in a drought, if you use more than 999 Cubic Feet of water (~7500 gallons) the price of your entire water bill and waste water bill doubles. If you use more than 1999CF, the entire thing triples.

 

[2k1Toaster]

Actually this August was my most expensive month of electricity. It was the first month the 10KW solar was fully switched on. That took me down to 452KWh for the month at $59.44 or 13.15cents/KWh. But in reality the solar was about $38K so if we assume $38,059.44 for 452KWh of power, that is $84.20 per KWh!

:shock: :shock: :shock: