Neithermetricus said:The correct question here is if using the dongle interferes somehow with the user agreement or warranty terms
Neithermetricus said:The correct question here is if using the dongle interferes somehow with the user agreement or warranty terms
OrientExpress said:Thank you for all of your LEAFSpy testimonies.
Now granted all of you appear to be enthusiasts that like to push boundaries, sort through the jumble of data that LEAF Spy displays to sleuth trends and develop hypotheses, even though LEAF Spy does not produce much real data at all, (DTCs and clear CanBus messages like for tire pressure, etc, not withstanding), but rather presents data derived by speculative assumptions. The silver-lining is that it provides the same derived data consistently so all of the readings are questionable which does give some basis.
And sure you can look at DTCs and change some minor parameters, but how often does that happen?
The key thread from all of the things that you like about LEAF Spy is that it allows you to stretch the boundaries of what your car is capable of, and that" beat the system" satisfaction is really called entertainment.
We all have some sort of interest that we like to get under the hood on, for example mine is meteorology. The key that needs to be respected is that the data you have from LEAF Spy or any other sort of similar thing is that it is speculative not empirical. So at the minimum you have to acknowledge that.
98% of the LEAF world does not care about the things that you enjoy using LEAF Spy for, they are happy with a temperature gauge that simplifies things saying "if the gauge is between these two points, everything is fine."
They are also happy with the navigation system that can provide credible route planning taking into consideration weather, and topology, traffic. The LEAFs range estimation route planning is as good or better of an estimate as you could by thrashing through what LEAF Spy displays. But that's not the point, it's fun doing it that way, and when something is fun, it's entertainment.
So to your point, yes LEAF Spy is useful as an entertainment tool, regardless of what you choose to call it. It's fun to speculate what is happening to your LEAF in a finer granuarity and there are several things that you can infer from looking at its data, but it is not any more useful than just looking at the information that the car presents in its native displays.
I don't mean to insult any of you, and see where you are coming from, so please keep using LEAF Spy to fuel the "how many angels can fit on a pin" discussions. They are quite entertaining.
metricus said:To OrientExpress: Whatever Nissan calls normal range of that gauge include areas where charge power is heavily throttled down.
I would have no objections if the charge power would be reduced once the gauge reaches the short red mark or when it's on red. The very fact that they call the range normal despite this throttling situation is misleading.
Also to OrientExpress: I did have charge power of 43kW twice even after a 80 km drive. Strangely enough that was only when the car was brand new (1 week). Never seen 43 since.
OrientExpress said:As long as the temperature is at or below the first short red bar (about 120 F) the vehicle’s battery is in its normal operating range.
OrientExpress said:50kW chargers can give at least two different power outputs. For the newer chargers that run on 125amps, they can provide 45kW to the battery, but then the more prevalent and older 100amp chargers can only deliver abut 35kW to the vehicle. This will also affect the stepped reductions in power. In variably I have noticed the newer members of the EV family tend to have the luxury of the 125 amp chargers, while those in more established EV areas that got their chargers early on, and are stuck for the time being with 100 amps.
50kW / 400V = 125A so any of those units should be capable of 125A if they are indeed 50kW units.
metricus said:In fact OrientExoress, if you would buy a Dongle you could see for yourself that Bjorn's graph is dead on and you can predict accurately at what Power you will charge based on your current temp.
I find this feature useful as I can adjust my conditions or, at the very least, I can tell my wife that I'll be late for dinner
metricus said:Is there a way to fix this? ex: twist someone's hand to install the blue graph software? Does anyone in US have the non rapidgate software? etc...etc...?
OrientExpress said:metricus said:In fact OrientExoress, if you would buy a Dongle you could see for yourself that Bjorn's graph is dead on and you can predict accurately at what Power you will charge based on your current temp.
I find this feature useful as I can adjust my conditions or, at the very least, I can tell my wife that I'll be late for dinner
And you can’t figure that out by looking at the Temperature gauge?
DaveinOlyWA said:No but there is a petition to offer it to us. Realize the EU got this fix a year ago.
DaveinOlyWA said:metricus said:Is there a way to fix this? ex: twist someone's hand to install the blue graph software? Does anyone in US have the non rapidgate software? etc...etc...?
metricus said:In fact OrientExoress, if you would buy a Dongle you could see for yourself that Bjorn's graph is dead
With gauge in the middle you could be charging anywhere between 45 and 35 kW.
Get a dongle and see for yourself.
It's a valuable tool not "entertainment".
OrientExpress said:Dave, you know that only early 2018 car’s have the charging profile that those with ants in their pants don’t like. The new profile was a rolling revision to the ‘18 LEAF in the summer of 2018 or so. The 2019 40 kWh cars all have the new profile. Unfortunately no one has been able to present a compelling argument that might sway Nissan.
WetEV said:There would be less need for LeafSpy if the LEAF had a real temperature gauge.
metricus said:What other profile?. My 2019 has the same profile I know as rapidgate. It is Bjorn's red graph that he referred as early 2018. On the dot! So I see no change in the us models.
I guess if you had a dongle you could see for yourself...?
How about the charger reporting 32 kW while the car temperature gauge is in the middle and the SoC is low ?OrientExpress said:metricus said:What other profile?. My 2019 has the same profile I know as rapidgate. It is Bjorn's red graph that he referred as early 2018. On the dot! So I see no change in the us models.
I guess if you had a dongle you could see for yourself...?
I don’t know what to tell you. Unless you have some credible evidence ..,
I think a shrill shill.metricus said:So OE is either cheap or likes to troll ppl :roll:
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