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Re: Intentionally buying marginal battery on 3-year old leaf?

Sat Mar 06, 2021 9:50 pm

goldbrick wrote:
Wed Feb 03, 2021 12:08 pm
Nissan has announced that the 30kWh pack is discontinued and NLA. All 30kWh replacements that I have read about have been upgraded by Nissan to 40kWh packs at no charge (and often no notification !) to the owners.
Does this mean that 24kWh Leafs could also (potentially) get a 40kWh battery at this point? My 06/2013 is currently at the dealer awaiting a warranty battery replacement. Based on initial estimates, I won't know the outcome for a couple of weeks. And I suspect warranty coverage for replacement batteries is substantially less than the original 96 months.
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Re: Intentionally buying marginal battery on 3-year old leaf?

Sun Mar 07, 2021 1:43 am

DIYev wrote:
Sat Mar 06, 2021 9:50 pm
goldbrick wrote:
Wed Feb 03, 2021 12:08 pm
Nissan has announced that the 30kWh pack is discontinued and NLA. All 30kWh replacements that I have read about have been upgraded by Nissan to 40kWh packs at no charge (and often no notification !) to the owners.
Does this mean that 24kWh Leafs could also (potentially) get a 40kWh battery at this point? My 06/2013 is currently at the dealer awaiting a warranty battery replacement. Based on initial estimates, I won't know the outcome for a couple of weeks. And I suspect warranty coverage for replacement batteries is substantially less than the original 96 months.
I don't remember a single 24 kWh owner getting a new 40 pack. The originals only get refurb 24 kWh packs.
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Re: Intentionally buying marginal battery on 3-year old leaf?

Sun Mar 07, 2021 7:45 am

Thanks, that's good to know. I suspect I currently have a Wolf pack, so hopefully the replacement will at least be a more heat-tolerant Lizard. Interestingly, the Nissan dealer said it was an $8,000 replacement. I thought new 24kWh packs were going for $5,500 these days. Guess I'll find out.
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Re: Intentionally buying marginal battery on 3-year old leaf?

Sun Mar 07, 2021 12:28 pm

The price went up a while back. Now it's roughly in the $8k range.
I don't remember a single 24 kWh owner getting a new 40 pack. The originals only get refurb 24 kWh packs.
Eh? Nissan has always reserved the right to use refurbished packs, but other than replacing bad cells rather than whole packs, they have not used refurbs in North America. Why? Because the cells usually degrade fairly evenly, making it likely that a 9 or 10 bar refurb would have to be replaced again under warranty.
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Re: Intentionally buying marginal battery on 3-year old leaf?

Sun Mar 07, 2021 12:36 pm

Great to know! Before I bought the car, at least two individual modules had been replaced by the dealer. This time Nissan decided to replace the entire pack rather than individual failing modules again.
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Re: Intentionally buying marginal battery on 3-year old leaf?

Tue Mar 16, 2021 11:16 am

DIYev wrote:
Sat Mar 06, 2021 9:50 pm
My 06/2013 is currently at the dealer awaiting a warranty battery replacement. Based on initial estimates, I won't know the outcome for a couple of weeks.
Just got the car back from the dealer. They first told me Nissan would split the cost of a new pack 50/50 with $4k out-of-pocket for me (and tried to push me toward buying a used car), then I pointed out that mine should still be covered by the 96 month warranty. The dealer then told me Nissan would replace the entire battery pack under warranty.

In the end, Nissan and/or dealer only replaced Control Assembly B (293A0-3NF1B) plus seals and charge balanced the two marginal modules. The SOH must have been reset with the controller replacement as it is now reading >99% instead of <81% in LeafSpy. And the 2G TCU is reporting as <off> in LeafSpy, so the dealer must have disabled it electronically while it was in for the service.

Based on the in-service date of my car, I have about 4.5 months left on battery warranty, so I will be watching it like a hawk...
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Re: Intentionally buying marginal battery on 3-year old leaf?

Tue Mar 16, 2021 12:28 pm

Balancing modules isn't going to work. The dealership is not honest. You may need to either escalate this with Nissan or find an honest Leaf-certified dealership.
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Re: Intentionally buying marginal battery on 3-year old leaf?

Tue Mar 16, 2021 12:58 pm

I'm glad you said that. I dug through some papers I had gotten from the dealer when I bought the car and realized that the same two modules were a problem in July of last year (before I bought the car). Needless to say, I've learned a lot since then. So why Nissan's tech line told the dealer to charge the same modules that had been the problem before rather than replace the pack that had already had work done is beyond me. Either way, the person who I'd been working with at the dealer also thought this didn't make sense and gave me the number so I can escalate with Nissan. As to the honesty of the dealer, I am getting the impression that Nissan North America/tech line is making more of the decisions, but hard to say...
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