DougWantsALeaf
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Very true. Everyone is susceptible to confirmation bias.
GRA said:jlsoaz said:I thought this was a not bad summary of some of the issues of finding balanced discussion on certain recent EV topics.
My first real conversations about EVs and batteries were back in the late 90s, on the yahoo finance investment area pertaining to Energy Conversion Devices. This was a cult battery stock (NiMH for the EV1) before Tesla was a gleam in anyone's eye. It was kind of a lively place, and you could learn a lot and meet some good people. I got my first EV ride from one of the generous folks. I was explaining to someone the other day (when we were talking and realized that they also had been on that board around that time) that, in the end, I thought I had learned a lesson or two about how to deal with people who were intolerant and not interested in keeping the focus on congenial productive EV discussion, and I will still claim that, but it was not enough in the end to protect me from some of the nastier points I have run into when trying to discuss Tesla (both the good and the bad). I have to say that some of the worst have been one or two really committed Pro-Tesla Trolls. Such insufferability! I exaggerated when I first wrote this out, but in retrospect, I have really limited myself to one or two such experiences and then walked away. Still, I think it's kind of an interesting phenomenon and the person I was speaking with recognized it as well in their own way. I wonder if some of it is just what happens to (some) people when they get invested.
Sure. When some men (it's almost always men) have invested a lot of money in a product, many also have invested a lot of their ego in it as well. Thus, any criticism of the product, no matter how objective, is seen as a criticism of their reasoning ability and financial probity, i.e. they made a poor choice that wasted lots of money, and are thus fools. Since they know that can't be right, anyone who does have criticisms must be attacked to show that it's they who are fools, or that they must have nefarious motives for their criticisms.
My home is Tesla, LEAF, Macintosh, Chrome OS, and AndroidDougWantsALeaf said:Tesla culture feels very similar to the Apple culture.
And they try to convince themselves of their superiority along the way by congregating in echo chambers.
I know.LeftieBiker said:Hmmm. Personally
You would not like the resultsDougWantsALeaf said:I would like a side by side SR+ to Leaf S+ range test at 70mph to see who wins.
danrjones said:SageBrush said:If the temperature bar calibration has stayed the same as the Gen1 LEAF, 6 bars starts at ~ 80F and ends somewhere after 95F -- 100FDougWantsALeaf said:I would also be curious to understand how often and for how long the car sits at or above 7 temperature bars.
That sounds about right. Last check my 2018 40 was showing temp smack in the middle (that's 6 bars?) and my actual sensors were 91.6 to 88.4.
I know my vehicle has spent about half the time in 7 bar territory on average for July and Aug.
It lags the outside temp profile a bit, as you would expect. Most mornings it is 6 bars and same with lunch but by afternoon it is 7 bars and that carries well past sundown. If I was truly truly bored I would collect temp readings every hour for a 24 hour period or 48 hour period and chart it out. I'm not that bored though.
DougWantsALeaf said:That's what bugs me. Bolt drivers don't try to take down Leaf drivers, and vice versa.
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Tesla will reach production capacity of ~ ONE MILLION cars annually in the next few months, and that does not include the Austin Gigafactory. Nissan EV has degenerated into +/- a compliance car programjlsoaz said:My point in the here-and-now is that Tesla was in some ways right to take the approach they took
SageBrush said:Tesla will reach production capacity of ~ ONE MILLION cars annually in the next few months, and that does not include the Austin Gigafactory. Nissan EV has degenerated into +/- a compliance car programjlsoaz said:My point in the here-and-now is that Tesla was in some ways right to take the approach they took
Only in this forum can a few people be found who even bother to act as if there is some reason to compare the two.
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