thankyouOB
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Iletric,
U say u never chrage to 80%.
Does that mean u charge to 100%?
Or do u always charge <80% (less than)?
U say u never chrage to 80%.
Does that mean u charge to 100%?
Or do u always charge <80% (less than)?
In his most recent show, Jack Rickard of EVTV took your 50V difference and ran with it, concluding that there is no battery degradation but instead it is in fact a hall effect sensor error, and called it a BMS issue. Just remember, Jack loves to speak with authority on a subject, even if he's completely wrong.TonyWilliams said:RegGuheert said:In fact, there was a >50V difference in voltage at which the Phoenix range-test LEAFs turtled.
I originally said that, but it's not accurate. The two cars that had 350v-ish were just past the voltage "knee" at VLB, but had not made the plunge to 300v-ish at turtle. Therefore, those voltages should not be considered.
When I made the statement, I didn't qualify that important nuance. So, please just magically erase that from your memory!
GenericUser said:...
Everyone knows that the issue is the lack of a TMS of any kind in the Leaf.
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Nubo said:That conclusion isn't universal. Nissan tested the affected AZ cars by removing the battery and testing it as an independent unit. Regardless of the poor communication, I doubt if they would simply lie about those results. The difference between those battery tests and the independent range tests would then seem to lie in --- the rest of the car, which includes the BMS, instrumentation ,sensors, software, etc...
Yes, as has been noted earlier, at least two cars (White626 and Red500) were tested in Casa Grande earlier this summer. The range test determined loss of autonomy, which was very close (0.5% - 2.5%) to the battery state of health communicated verbally to owners by Nissan.Nubo said:GenericUser said:...
Everyone knows that the issue is the lack of a TMS of any kind in the Leaf.
...
That conclusion isn't universal. Nissan tested the affected AZ cars by removing the battery and testing it as an independent unit. Regardless of the poor communication, I doubt if they would simply lie about those results. The difference between those battery tests and the independent range tests would then seem to lie in --- the rest of the car, which includes the BMS, instrumentation ,sensors, software, etc...
TonyWilliams said:jspearman said:I would like to see Jeff, Andy, Mark and the whole gang come to Phoenix for a town hall on the issue. I know other areas have problems, but this is ground zero. We have easy airport access for any others who would like to come, and I would be more than happy to house at least one person in our casita.
This is actually a reasonable request, since Nissan engineers / execs / etc do go to Phoenix because they have a corporate facility there. The Dec 3, 2011 meeting of LEAF owners and Nissan principles at the Google headquarters was possible, in part, because the chief engineer was returning FROM Phoenix to sign off on the next EV coming from Nissan. They had a whole cross section of the engineering team, plus execs (I think 17 were from Nissan of the well over 100 people (and over 100 LEAFs) present that day. I flew in from San Diego to join up, and I thought it was awesome.
What is different is that the Google meeting was a huge Love Fest. They might not be quite as excited to have angry, loud, large Americans yelling at them at a proposed Phoenix meeting. Therefore, I think your chances are that if anybody showed up, it would be the folks who are hired to cover Nissan's back on its mistakes (low on engineers, high on lawyers and other "non-specific answer, don't sue us" folks). It's extremely unlikely that anything would be offered that might suggest in any way that there was any issue, which stops any resolution or comfort for you, the LEAF consumer.
Even during our Love Fest, we had the quality guy for Nissan ramble off legal disclaimers and ass-covering statements. That guy would have a heart attack at a Phoenix meet!!! I think there's a picture of he and I standing outside Google somewhere in this forum.
palmermd said:I think her point is that she is hoping that the capacity issue will be mostly resolved and won't be the "hot topic" once the advisory board is put together. If it is still the hot topic, then Nissan and this advisory board will have their hands full.
gascant said:The point of this is to say that I think the meeting proposed above is a great idea, and that I doubt it will be filled with legal (or other) platitudes. I'm confident that it will have impact so long as comments made by the participants are carefully thought out and conveyed respectfully. As well, I suggest that all participants respect their fellow participants and allow everyone the chance to speak. It might be good to have a moderator (Chelsea?) that facilitates the discussion and does place some reasonable limits on individual comment times.
jspearman said:gascant said:The point of this is to say that I think the meeting proposed above is a great idea, and that I doubt it will be filled with legal (or other) platitudes. I'm confident that it will have impact so long as comments made by the participants are carefully thought out and conveyed respectfully. As well, I suggest that all participants respect their fellow participants and allow everyone the chance to speak. It might be good to have a moderator (Chelsea?) that facilitates the discussion and does place some reasonable limits on individual comment times.
Thanks for the thoughts. I wonder if the School of Sustainability at ASU might be interested in hosting such a meeting? Does anyone know folks down there? I seem to remember a battery engineer guy who knows Opossum who attended. ASU would have plenty of space for a meeting, especially on a weekend, plus Tempe campus is on the light rail and has at least six charging stations.
My understanding is that he always charges to 100% no matter what/where/when. I think that he even has the opinion that holding 100% charge in the battery a long time is good for it.thankyouOB said:Iletric,
U say u never chrage to 80%.
Does that mean u charge to 100%?
Or do u always charge <80% (less than)?
leafwing said:vrwl said:So basically, if you aren't one of the seven identified owners, you're screwed. No acknowledgement of other owners with problems in TX, CA, FL and no proposed ensured satisfaction for anyone OTHER than the seven referenced owners. That's really unacceptable.
After reading the letter, it seems to me that only the magnificent seven will get something from Nissan.
Did you happen to read Chealsea's earlier comment? I believe she might have addressed the concern Vicki raised.dsh said:We may have an alternative(see Below Link):
http://nissanleafproblems.com/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Stay Tuned Arizona and California LEAF owners...
leafwing said:vrwl said:So basically, if you aren't one of the seven identified owners, you're screwed. No acknowledgement of other owners with problems in TX, CA, FL and no proposed ensured satisfaction for anyone OTHER than the seven referenced owners. That's really unacceptable.
After reading the letter, it seems to me that only the magnificent seven will get something from Nissan.
+1kubel said:"It's not a problem" is not what these people want to hear. Obviously it is a problem for these people. Saying it's not a problem does what exactly? Does it reassure the rest of us? Yeah, it reassures us that Nissan doesn't step up and take action for customers.
Nissans reaction is confusing to say the least. I don't think people want talk. They want Nissan to do something.
Sadly, not really an alternative. This is just a law firm looking to file a class action lawsuit to line their own pockets.dsh said:We may have an alternative(see Below Link):
http://nissanleafproblems.com/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Stay Tuned Arizona and California LEAF owners...
herekittykitty said:Sadly, not really an alternative. This is just a law firm looking to file a class action lawsuit to line their own pockets.dsh said:We may have an alternative(see Below Link):
http://nissanleafproblems.com/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Stay Tuned Arizona and California LEAF owners...
Actually that was exactly why I picked the dirt analogy to begin with, so don't worry, you didn't burst my bubble. I'm fully aware of the view of dirt being good from the perspective that it can help stimulate the immune system.ILETRIC said:Your dirt analogy actually is well known to medicine and dirt exposure is essential to stimulate immune system. It keeps you healthy and prevents overuse of antibiotics in early age which is blamed for developing childhood asthma. So, to burst your bubble, dirt is good.
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