There is also a link on that page to a Tesla P85D utterly humiliating a 707HP Dodge Challenger Hellcat on the dragstrip.
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GRA
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We don't actually know how they'd do, as the video clearly shows that the Hellcat fouled and took his foot off then sort of half-heartedly accelerated, while the Tesla didn't foul and did a full run. I really don't see why all the EV blogs are crowing about this, because it's hardly conclusive. Of course, I also don't think it's of the least importance in the real world and am heartily sick of Tesla vs. whatever drag races, but there's only so much real EV news in a day and these sites have to fill up their pages somehow. It does seem noticeable to me that there's a lot more fluff on all the EV blogs than there used to be, which I guess is an indication that EVs are becoming routine and there's less hard news.LeftieBiker said:
GRA said:
Doesn't a Tesla P85D hold the world record for a quarter mile for a four door Sedan?
It stands to reason that if a Hellcat doesn't hold that world record, then even a perfect Hellcat racer could not beat a P85D
Not to get too offtrack, but the P85D and other neat things like https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rt6daT51_sM" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; (0-60 in 3.3s in the rain) show why electric cars are making all other performance cars obsolete on anything than a marathon race. I personally believe that EVs are already a near-unequivocal second car replacement for the vast majority of the population, from those who have home charging capabilities and <40 mile commutes.
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derkraut said:Freeewilly: I hope you don't pick up a bunch of speeding tickets.
I'm living in beautiful southern California. 82 miles is normal and I'm just trying to keep up with other cars that drive faster than me.
redLEAF
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Interesting blog post on making a lease deal for a new smart ED ... her Mitsu iMiev was coming off lease ... this can work for some folks, can see that this one has the cloth (heated) seats, base radio but would be a step up from the bare bones Miev
https://transportevolved.com/2015/01/31/electragirl-2015-smart-electric-drive/
https://transportevolved.com/2015/01/31/electragirl-2015-smart-electric-drive/
redLEAF
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January numbers are in:
For January smart continued to impress with 147 units sold.
http://insideevs.com/january-2015-plug-electric-vehicle-sales-report-card/
For January smart continued to impress with 147 units sold.
http://insideevs.com/january-2015-plug-electric-vehicle-sales-report-card/
https://energiemetropole-leipzig.de/tl_files/Energiemetropole/Expert09/vortraege/5_Vortrag_Schaefer_Li-Tec_Energie_Metropole%20Leipzig_Battery_Tim.pdf" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
I thought this was an interesting tidbit copied from one of the smart EV forums. There are details about the battery in the smart EV on page 25 and 26.
The battery is rated to still be above 90% capacity after 3000 charging cycles, which is charging daily for over eight years. It has a comparison to some of the other EV competitors out there, too, from southeast Asia (you can tell which one is the Leaf battery!).
I might heavily consider buying my smart after the lease ends!
I thought this was an interesting tidbit copied from one of the smart EV forums. There are details about the battery in the smart EV on page 25 and 26.
The battery is rated to still be above 90% capacity after 3000 charging cycles, which is charging daily for over eight years. It has a comparison to some of the other EV competitors out there, too, from southeast Asia (you can tell which one is the Leaf battery!).
I might heavily consider buying my smart after the lease ends!
Checking the dates, maybe the smart forum got it from here? http://www.mynissanleaf.com/viewtopic.php?p=328394#p328394" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;eloder said:
Has anyone seen anything on how the battery is working in hot areas?
redLEAF
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NanoBot said:
Smart ED unlike our LEAF's has a liquid cooled battery ... no problem running on hot days (article quotes an AZ smart ED owner)
http://insideevs.com/2500-third-gen...lectric-drive-still-coming-to-us-this-spring/
NanoBot said:
I must have missed that! Still interesting though
A few Gen II smart EV owners haven't reported any substantial range degradation past seasonal variances, and many Gen III owners aren't even reporting degradation after one full summer-winter-summer-winter cycle either.
It makes sense though because Tesla batteries have documented extremely tiny range degradation, and while smart batteries are much smaller, they don't have to worry about as much heat generation due to lower power output and no quickcharger capability in the US.
AndyH
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Well, add me to the list - an excellent battery combined with some serious battery thermal management and a very positive dealer experience got me. I enjoyed driving the Leaf multiple times, but I love the 'tight' handling of a Euro car.
And damn - this is the most fun car I've ever driven, whether in Korea, Europe, or the US. Talk about an EV grin.
I reported on the battery cooling/heating system after spending some 'quality time' in the Benz tech system back in Oct, 2013.
http://www.mynissanleaf.com/viewtopic.php?p=329405#p329405
At that time, while the standard thermal management system included a car-wide water/glycol heating and cooling loop and a 2nd heater for only the battery, one had to order a 'hot weather' option V03 to add an air conditioning heat exchanger in the battery loop for high-capacity cooling. I confirmed with SmartUSA and the Benz tech support folks that on the 2015 vehicles ALL cars delivered to the USA have the V03 option installed. I haven't yet checked the updated StarTech info to see if thermal parameters have changed from the 45°C threshold published in the 10/1/13 version of the service docs which can be seen here:
Sorry about the camera image...scanner's temporarily inop.
And damn - this is the most fun car I've ever driven, whether in Korea, Europe, or the US. Talk about an EV grin.
I reported on the battery cooling/heating system after spending some 'quality time' in the Benz tech system back in Oct, 2013.
http://www.mynissanleaf.com/viewtopic.php?p=329405#p329405
At that time, while the standard thermal management system included a car-wide water/glycol heating and cooling loop and a 2nd heater for only the battery, one had to order a 'hot weather' option V03 to add an air conditioning heat exchanger in the battery loop for high-capacity cooling. I confirmed with SmartUSA and the Benz tech support folks that on the 2015 vehicles ALL cars delivered to the USA have the V03 option installed. I haven't yet checked the updated StarTech info to see if thermal parameters have changed from the 45°C threshold published in the 10/1/13 version of the service docs which can be seen here:
Sorry about the camera image...scanner's temporarily inop.
redLEAF
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Not bad at all ...
EV ranked #1 ; ICE version ranked 11 out of top 12 ; LEAF ranked #3.
This main lists omits some of the 'compliance' cars but following other links provided in the article changes the mix a bit ...
http://insideevs.com/aceee-lists-greenest-meanest-cars-of-2014/
EV ranked #1 ; ICE version ranked 11 out of top 12 ; LEAF ranked #3.
This main lists omits some of the 'compliance' cars but following other links provided in the article changes the mix a bit ...
http://insideevs.com/aceee-lists-greenest-meanest-cars-of-2014/
AndyH
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Stumbled on these today - a very nice overview of the smart process from inception, supply/manufacturing, sales, and aftermarket.
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LaVVrJx1w0c[/youtube]
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mV4RPEn4SQw[/youtube]
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TSa9PDJxZ0g[/youtube]
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zvYByQ9Yf0g[/youtube]
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LaVVrJx1w0c[/youtube]
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mV4RPEn4SQw[/youtube]
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TSa9PDJxZ0g[/youtube]
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zvYByQ9Yf0g[/youtube]
AndyH
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Took the first significant drive today (well, yesterday, technically...) to build confidence and to explore the 'guess-o-meter'. Started with a full battery, 60°F and drizzle, and a 53 mile GoM range estimate. Drive 60.0 miles at speeds between 45 and 60 and got back home with 23% left in the battery (per the dash gauge) and 24.5 miles remaining on the guess-o-meter.
Hmmm...that sorta kills the EPA range of 68 miles, and it's not even warm outside yet. This looks promising!
Hmmm...that sorta kills the EPA range of 68 miles, and it's not even warm outside yet. This looks promising!
AndyH said:Took the first significant drive today (well, yesterday, technically...) to build confidence and to explore the 'guess-o-meter'. Started with a full battery, 60°F and drizzle, and a 53 mile GoM range estimate. Drive 60.0 miles at speeds between 45 and 60 and got back home with 23% left in the battery (per the dash gauge) and 24.5 miles remaining on the guess-o-meter.
Hmmm...that sorta kills the EPA range of 68 miles, and it's not even warm outside yet. This looks promising!
Welcome to the smart world, where the EPA testing cycle doesn't have a clue as to the potential of the car.
On my gas car, I hit 54 mpg averaging 75 mph on a 400 mile road trip in favorable wind conditions, and I typically hit high 40s on long highway trips on my gas car. EPA highway rating is 38 mpg.
I've heard stories of smart EVs brushing 100 mile ranges in ideal summer conditions under 40 mph.
I've also read hilarious reports about how the smart EV range is greater than the BMW i3 when the temperature hits about 10 F and below!
AndyH
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I hear ya.eloder said:
The old EPA economy method was closer for my VW diesels but still low. The EPA was spot-on for the '08 Ranger, though. It's good to be back in a Euro car that makes economy testing look silly. The liquid cooling/heating system for the battery does work, that's for sure! I've only had one day to test the pack heater, but expect to get plenty of use from the cooling loop pretty soon now...eloder said:
AndyH
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Some things I really like about this little car so far:
- The hill-hold works in drive and reverse and is quite effective.
- I'm starting to get used to the feel of the accelerator pedal and it's 'go', 'coast', and 'mild regen' zones - speed control is very easy.
- There's plenty of regen available through the first 1/3 or so of the brake pedal travel and the transition to friction brakes is very difficult to feel.
- The analogue power and state of charge meters are very easy to see and quickly process while driving.
- Fun fun fun. Tiny turn radius. Smooth and quiet. Did I mention that it's fun? :lol:
- The hill-hold works in drive and reverse and is quite effective.
- I'm starting to get used to the feel of the accelerator pedal and it's 'go', 'coast', and 'mild regen' zones - speed control is very easy.
- There's plenty of regen available through the first 1/3 or so of the brake pedal travel and the transition to friction brakes is very difficult to feel.
- The analogue power and state of charge meters are very easy to see and quickly process while driving.
- Fun fun fun. Tiny turn radius. Smooth and quiet. Did I mention that it's fun? :lol:
AndyH said:
Indeed. I'm still 1-1.5 months away from my smart ED delivery, so I have to settle with my ICE smart for the time being. Still tons of fun but nothing can replace that superior acceleration and lack of transmission.
I want to see someone install a train horn on the ED, and sneak up on unsuspecting people in parking lots...
edatoakrun
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Smart has joined the 2013 LEAF and Focus EV in a four-car test:
Initial capacity tests are available from links on the main page here:
http://avt.inl.gov/fsev.shtml" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
http://avt.inl.gov/pdf/fsev/ar2014SmartElectricDriveCoupeBEV.pdf" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Initial capacity tests are available from links on the main page here:
http://avt.inl.gov/fsev.shtml" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
AndyH
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Thanks for the links. Not new testing, though, as the smarts being tested are 2014 models and testing began almost a year ago. While I look forward to seeing their results from the two AZ cars, we've had a number of them on Texas roads for a bit over a year now and there's been no noticeable range loss so far. So far, so good!edatoakrun said:
