GRA
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We must parse words very differently then, because I think it exactly agrees with my definition. Let's see, "an electric motor or motors for traction." Yup. "May be powered through a collector system by electricity from off-vehicle sources, or may be self-contained with a battery or generator to convert fuel to electricity. Yup. That bolded part includes HEVs, PHEVs, and FCVs in the definition of electric vehicles, as they all include a "generator to convert fuel to electricity". Do you disagree?donald said:That's the same as my definition as above (which differs slightly to the UK definition) in different words.GRA said:Which is fine, if they wish to define it that way. AFAIA, that's not how EVs are defined in the US.... FWIW, here's how electric vehicles are defined by wikipedia:
An electric vehicle (EV), also referred to as an electric drive vehicle, uses one or more electric motors or traction motors for propulsion. An electric vehicle may be powered through a collector system by electricity from off-vehicle sources, or may be self-contained with a battery or generator to convert fuel to electricity.[3] EVs include road and rail vehicles, surface and underwater vessels, electric aircraft and electrically-powered space vehicles.
I'd agree that it would be meaningless if I'd ever said that. I haven't said any such thing. What I have said is that an EV has electric drive, which is my (and wiki's, although I hadn't seen it before today) definition. There are undoubtedly other definitions; I find mine to be inclusive of all the sub-types, and easy to distinguish what is and isn't an EV - if (leaving Maglevs aside) an electric motor propels it wholly or in part, it's an EV. Simple and conclusive, it encompasses HEVs, BEVs, PHEVs, FCEVs/FCHEVs, PHFCEVs and even PV or wind-direct EVs.donald said:You are in your own world there. It is meaningless to suggest a car is 'electric' simply because it has an electric system on board.donald said:, and it's certainly not how I define them.
Like saying aeroplanes are electric. Meaningless.