TRONZ said:OK, I see two electric cars and a Volt...
mitch672 said:Not everyone can accept the Leafs limited range and long recharge time.
mwalsh said:The Volt isn't cutting it, even for GM. Dealers currently have 22 days worth of cars sitting on lots, which is unheard of for a "hot" model. But then, we've only GM's word for it that it's hot. If I were a betting man, I'd say they'll look at killing it by 2013 unless sales improve dramatically (which could happen if they could get the price down). Most probably with the familiar whine "We tried and nobody wanted it".
LEAFfan said:mitch672 said:Not everyone can accept the Leafs limited range and long recharge time.
It will be only limited until the QCs are installed, which will be by the end of this year or beginning of 2012. Who told you LEAFs had long recharge times? The average charge is about one and a half hours! I guess 'long' is a relative term, but I don't consider and hour to an hour and a half 'long'. You've probably read all that propaganda (some people call it FUD) about it taking 8 hours to charge to 100% (most people charge only to 80%). My Blink will charge mine @ less than 30 mins. per bar to 80% which is plenty for our driving needs. The other day, it charged from 5 to 10 bars in only an hour and a half! :mrgreen:
LEAFfan said:mitch672 said:Not everyone can accept the Leafs limited range and long recharge time.
It will be only limited until the QCs are installed, which will be by the end of this year or beginning of 2012. Who told you LEAFs had long recharge times? The average charge is about one and a half hours! I guess 'long' is a relative term, but I don't consider and hour to an hour and a half 'long'. You've probably read all that propaganda (some people call it FUD) about it taking 8 hours to charge to 100% (most people charge only to 80%). My Blink will charge mine @ less than 30 mins. per bar to 80% which is plenty for our driving needs. The other day, it charged from 5 to 10 bars in only an hour and a half! :mrgreen:
LEAFfan said:Who told you LEAFs had long recharge times? The average charge is about one and a half hours!
andTEG said:Say what you will about the Volt, at least this was a case where it was being charged up so that some of its' driven miles would be from electricity, not gasoline.
I aspire to ZERO tailpipe emissions too. But in response to those that have a "problem" with the Volt ... what if the Volt you saw was the THIRD vehicle in a three-car three-person household ?! While the first two vehicles were already 100% BEV ? In that case the Volt is used for the occasional long-distance triphighcountryrider said:No need to disparage the Volt. It's not for me; I want "zero" tailpipe emissions
and the LEAF meets most of my driving needs. But I still need my Starlet for trips.
For some the Volt or Prius would be a better choice.
TEG said:In Redwood City today. Tesla owner must not have a J1772 adapter. Just as well, because the Volt & Leaf needed the two ChargePoints:
mwalsh said:Couple of observations: 1) That Tesla is about to get towed (let's pretend the new law is already in place). 2) That Volt only desires the CP, it doesn't need it.
Aha! In which case the electric drivetrain is the range extender for its gasoline engine. :lol:TEG said:Also, I hear you on the Volt... But what if they were out of gasoline and were charging to drive in EV mode to a gas station?
Not to worry: if the governor signs AB475, I'm sure GM will gladly foot the bill to replace those signs, as well as install two more EVSEs, right? :roll:TEG said:Yeah, I was thinking that about the Tesla. But I think that spot doesn't have the right signage to enforce that sort of towing.
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