scottf200
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Holy cow. Look at this jump!
Tesla Supercharger Network
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GRA
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As of 12/24/15, Cadillac, MI (1st use 11/10) with 8 stalls is listed and mapped. Total U.S. SCs now 44/244/1,640.
Cadillac's commissioning was much delayed by power quality issues.
Current list showing all SCs open as of 1/1/15 and subsequent, and full list showing all SCs open from 1/14, can be found here:
http://www.mynissanleaf.com/viewtopic.php?f=10&t=9111&start=1020
Site with a map showing all SCs open, under construction or permitted plus lots of other stuff can be found here:
http://supercharge.info/
Cadillac's commissioning was much delayed by power quality issues.
Current list showing all SCs open as of 1/1/15 and subsequent, and full list showing all SCs open from 1/14, can be found here:
http://www.mynissanleaf.com/viewtopic.php?f=10&t=9111&start=1020
Site with a map showing all SCs open, under construction or permitted plus lots of other stuff can be found here:
http://supercharge.info/
cwerdna
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Interesting, but not too surprising, reports of a 15 car wait at the Tejon Ranch Superchargers at http://www.teslamotorsclub.com/showthread.php/59542-11-car-wait-at-Tejon-Ranch-AVOID-IF-YOU-CAN!!!!.
For those unfamiliar w/CA, it's between the Bay Area and So Cal, near the Grapevine (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grapevine,_California). When going south, Tejon Ranch is prior to a significant hill climb. Not surprising that those w/Model S want to go between the two areas during a holiday weekend on free juice.
For those unfamiliar w/CA, it's between the Bay Area and So Cal, near the Grapevine (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grapevine,_California). When going south, Tejon Ranch is prior to a significant hill climb. Not surprising that those w/Model S want to go between the two areas during a holiday weekend on free juice.
cwerdna
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If that's the "solution", I respond with http://www.greencarreports.com/news/1101338_portable-hydrogen-fuelers-go-to-six-toyota-mirai-dealers-as-stations-lag.lorenfb said:
cwerdna said:
Add to the peak holiday travel time the fact that an alternative route, hwy 101, had a segment closed and you get a lot more traffic.
Luckily this is a very rare occurrence.
Hopefully the additional super chargers planned for the area will be added soon.
cwerdna said:
Have you forgotten about BEV charging times, i.e. a MAJOR issue versus an ICEV or a FCEV?
What just occurred is a negative not only for Tesla, but BEVs in general. That situation,
obviously to a lesser extent with Leaf QC stations, is my major negative experience having
the Leaf.
lorenfb said:
All depends upon your driving patterns.
Charging a BEV for me is far more convenient than refueling with gas.
This includes trips, although I have never had to wait at a line, and only had to wait for the charge twice.
If you take a lot of trips, and are in a hurry, and bought a short range BEV, yes, I would say you bought the wrong car.
Don't take it out on the people enjoying theirs.
redLEAF
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Zythryn said:
A Tesla only traffic jam !
Tesla's are already a rare sight in the Midwest, can't imagine this many in one spot other than at the factory or a rally.
reminiscent of the '70's; although no shortage of electricity ... I'm sure its a strange sight indeed
dgpcolorado
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Just so!Zythryn said:
GRA
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That story is a bit out of date, as another station (in Coalinga i.e. Harris Ranch) is now commissioned. There's no question, though, that the rollout of the full retail H2 stations is going slower than hoped. My guess is that with both the contractors and the permitting authorities being unfamiliar with the equipment, everything's taking longer than it will once everyone's comfortable with the process.cwerdna said:
The strange thing is that Tesla has previously provided extra mobile diesel-powered SCs at Harris Ranch on Memorial Day weekend, so why they didn't anticipate a problem this weekend at this site and Harris Ranch seems a bit odd. OTOH, they did get some negative PR from the use of diesel gensets, so maybe that's the reason. The Buttonwillow SC is certainly needed soon, and as the number of cars grow they'll eventually also need them at Lost Hills and Kettleman City plus probably Santa Nella/Los Banos and maybe another in Gorman/Castaic/San Fernando etc. to space people out, plus some smart nav to direct the cars to sites they can reach with empty stalls.
TonyWilliams
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GRA said:
Yes, Tesla should have somehow predicted the closure of US-101 between Los Angeles and San Francisco, which is why there were so many cars on Interstate 5 between Los Angeles and San Francisco.
GRA
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The fire wasn't predictable, but lots of travel on I-5 on a 3-day Xmas holiday weekend certainly was. Even without the 101 shutdown there would have been a queue at Tejon and/or Harris Ranch. From comments on TMC from people who were stuck there, it seems few of the Model S in line had detoured from 101 - see post #51: http://www.teslamotorsclub.com/showthread.php/59542-11-car-wait-at-Tejon-Ranch-AVOID-IF-YOU-CAN%21%21%21%21/page6TonyWilliams said:
[Added] In another TMC thread the same poster says he spoke to 18 owners while waiting and only one had diverted from 101 - see post #77: http://www.teslamotorsclub.com/showthread.php/12165-Supercharger-Tejon-Ranch/page8?p=1297619#post1297619
Here's a transportevolved article discussing the various issues that caused the backup: https://transportevolved.com/2015/12/28/long-queues-cause-multi-hour-wait-for-tejon-ranch-tesla-supercharger-heres-why-it-was-the-perfect-storm/
TonyWilliams
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Yes, one of two major arteries through our fine state between the two largest metro area in the state only had one person who decided to drive via 101... sure, that makes perfect sense.
Yes, they need more Superchargers, and I hope that's always the case. But pretending that having a major highway between combined population centers of over 20 million people, and only 1 Tesla driver decided to drive the far more scenic route during a holiday weekend is weak, at best.
Heck, I just returned from the Bay Area on Xmas eve... via 101. I guess I was just the second guy to do so.
Yes, they need more Superchargers, and I hope that's always the case. But pretending that having a major highway between combined population centers of over 20 million people, and only 1 Tesla driver decided to drive the far more scenic route during a holiday weekend is weak, at best.
Heck, I just returned from the Bay Area on Xmas eve... via 101. I guess I was just the second guy to do so.
TonyWilliams said:
And properly model the querying distribution, e.g. using a Poisson Distribution, for the SCs at various locations
where lengthy charging times, i.e. versus an ICEV at a gas station where the average time per vehicle is 3-5
minutes and the average number of pumps per location is eight, become very problematic as the number
of arrivals increases. This issue will be more problematic for all BEVs over time as the number of BEVs increases
with significant range increases even though future charging times may decrease but not enough to offset the
number of sold BEVs with significant battery capacity increases.
Bottom Line: Again, charging times of BEVs are an initial negative selling feature but also one that will
discourage lengthy travel versus use of other vehicles with very short energy replenishment times.
TonyWilliams
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I have little doubt that Tesla will push out real time Supercharger capacity / queuing (they obviously have all the data already).
Next year, when one major road closes, I predict Tesla owners will know the alternatives. Waiting for two hours in Tejon wasn't the only choice. Heck, I would have driven over to the CHAdeMO charger in Bakersfield and juiced up there.
There are only two significant Superchargers along highway 5 (Harris Ranch and Tejon), and more along 101 (Oxnard, Buellton, Atascadero, Gilroy). The other significant change along 5 will be at least one more upcoming station in Buttonwillow.
I've driven both routes in the Tesla, RAV4 EV and LEAF. I doubt many folks can say that.
Next year, when one major road closes, I predict Tesla owners will know the alternatives. Waiting for two hours in Tejon wasn't the only choice. Heck, I would have driven over to the CHAdeMO charger in Bakersfield and juiced up there.
There are only two significant Superchargers along highway 5 (Harris Ranch and Tejon), and more along 101 (Oxnard, Buellton, Atascadero, Gilroy). The other significant change along 5 will be at least one more upcoming station in Buttonwillow.
I've driven both routes in the Tesla, RAV4 EV and LEAF. I doubt many folks can say that.
GRA
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Seeing as how I-5 is faster and sees far more traffic between Norcal and SoCal, makes sense to me - I know which route I take when time is an issue. And unlike either of us, the poster at TMC was actually there and talked to other owners who were waiting, so unless you can think of some reason for them all to lie, I have no reason to doubt the claim.TonyWilliams said:
Clearly, more capacity at Tejon plus additional sites (Buttonwillow and others) along I-5 will be needed no later than when the Model 3 is introduced, along with real-time occupancy info and a much better on-board range algorithm, or this sort of mess will become routine. Obviously doable, it's just a question of motivation (and cash).
GRA
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[Updated] As of 12/30/15, Colorado Springs, CO with 8 stalls, Louisville, KY with 8 stalls, Wytheville, VA with 6 stalls, and Victoria, TX with 6 stalls are listed and mapped. Total U.S. SCs now 44/248/1,668.
As of 12/30/15, Kelowna, BC with 8 stalls is listed and mapped. Total Canadian SCs now 4/17/98.
A fair end of year push, and Texas has now joined the select group of states ( CA, FL, UT, AZ) with SC sites in double figures.
Current list showing all SCs open as of 1/1/15 and subsequent, and full list showing all SCs open from 1/14, can be found here:
http://www.mynissanleaf.com/viewtopic.php?f=10&t=9111&start=1020
Site with a map showing all SCs open, under construction or permitted plus lots of other stuff can be found here:
http://supercharge.info/
As of 12/30/15, Kelowna, BC with 8 stalls is listed and mapped. Total Canadian SCs now 4/17/98.
A fair end of year push, and Texas has now joined the select group of states ( CA, FL, UT, AZ) with SC sites in double figures.
Current list showing all SCs open as of 1/1/15 and subsequent, and full list showing all SCs open from 1/14, can be found here:
http://www.mynissanleaf.com/viewtopic.php?f=10&t=9111&start=1020
Site with a map showing all SCs open, under construction or permitted plus lots of other stuff can be found here:
http://supercharge.info/
A new app for Tesla Superchargers allows you to check-in and hopes to provide near-real-time status for available stalls
http://electrek.co/2015/12/31/a-new-app-for-tesla-superchargers-allows-you-to-check-in-and-hopes-to-provide-near-real-time-status-for-available-stalls/
This should help
http://electrek.co/2015/12/31/a-new-app-for-tesla-superchargers-allows-you-to-check-in-and-hopes-to-provide-near-real-time-status-for-available-stalls/
This should help
GRA
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As of 12/30/15, Victoria, TX with 6 stalls is listed and mapped. Total U.S. SCs now 44/248/1,668.
I've updated my previous post to add this one, which appeared late yesterday.
I've updated my previous post to add this one, which appeared late yesterday.
