scottf200
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Holy cow. Look at this jump!
cwerdna said:Interesting, but not too surprising, reports of a 15 car wait at the Tejon Ranch Superchargers at http://www.teslamotorsclub.com/showthread.php/59542-11-car-wait-at-Tejon-Ranch-AVOID-IF-YOU-CAN!!!!.
If that's the "solution", I respond with http://www.greencarreports.com/news/1101338_portable-hydrogen-fuelers-go-to-six-toyota-mirai-dealers-as-stations-lag.lorenfb said:cwerdna said:Interesting, but not too surprising, reports of a 15 car wait at the Tejon Ranch Superchargers at http://www.teslamotorsclub.com/showthread.php/59542-11-car-wait-at-Tejon-Ranch-AVOID-IF-YOU-CAN!!!!.
FCEV
cwerdna said:Interesting, but not too surprising, reports of a 15 car wait at the Tejon Ranch Superchargers at http://www.teslamotorsclub.com/showthread.php/59542-11-car-wait-at-Tejon-Ranch-AVOID-IF-YOU-CAN!!!!.
For those unfamiliar w/CA, it's between the Bay Area and So Cal, near the Grapevine (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grapevine,_California). When going south, Tejon Ranch is prior to a significant hill climb. Not surprising that those w/Model S want to go between the two areas during a holiday weekend on free juice.
cwerdna said:If that's the "solution", I respond with http://www.greencarreports.com/news/1101338_portable-hydrogen-fuelers-go-to-six-toyota-mirai-dealers-as-stations-lag.lorenfb said:cwerdna said:Interesting, but not too surprising, reports of a 15 car wait at the Tejon Ranch Superchargers at http://www.teslamotorsclub.com/showthread.php/59542-11-car-wait-at-Tejon-Ranch-AVOID-IF-YOU-CAN!!!!.
FCEV
lorenfb said:cwerdna said:If that's the "solution", I respond with http://www.greencarreports.com/news/1101338_portable-hydrogen-fuelers-go-to-six-toyota-mirai-dealers-as-stations-lag.
Have you forgotten about BEV charging times, i.e. a MAJOR issue versus an ICEV or a FCEV?
What just occurred is a negative not only for Tesla, but BEVs in general. That situation,
obviously to a lesser extent with Leaf QC stations, is my major negative experience having
the Leaf.
Zythryn said:lorenfb said:cwerdna said:If that's the "solution", I respond with http://www.greencarreports.com/news/1101338_portable-hydrogen-fuelers-go-to-six-toyota-mirai-dealers-as-stations-lag.
Have you forgotten about BEV charging times, i.e. a MAJOR issue versus an ICEV or a FCEV?
What just occurred is a negative not only for Tesla, but BEVs in general. That situation,
obviously to a lesser extent with Leaf QC stations, is my major negative experience having
the Leaf.
All depends upon your driving patterns.
Charging a BEV for me is far more convenient than refueling with gas.
This includes trips, although I have never had to wait at a line, and only had to wait for the charge twice.
If you take a lot of trips, and are in a hurry, and bought a short range BEV, yes, I would say you bought the wrong car.
Don't take it out on the people enjoying theirs.
Just so!Zythryn said:...If you take a lot of trips, and are in a hurry, and bought a short range BEV, yes, I would say you bought the wrong car.
Don't take it out on the people enjoying theirs.
That story is a bit out of date, as another station (in Coalinga i.e. Harris Ranch) is now commissioned. There's no question, though, that the rollout of the full retail H2 stations is going slower than hoped. My guess is that with both the contractors and the permitting authorities being unfamiliar with the equipment, everything's taking longer than it will once everyone's comfortable with the process.cwerdna said:If that's the "solution", I respond with http://www.greencarreports.com/news/1101338_portable-hydrogen-fuelers-go-to-six-toyota-mirai-dealers-as-stations-lag.lorenfb said:cwerdna said:Interesting, but not too surprising, reports of a 15 car wait at the Tejon Ranch Superchargers at http://www.teslamotorsclub.com/showthread.php/59542-11-car-wait-at-Tejon-Ranch-AVOID-IF-YOU-CAN!!!!.
FCEV
GRA said:The strange thing is that Tesla has previously provided extra mobile diesel-powered SCs at Harris Ranch on Memorial Day weekend, so why they didn't anticipate a problem this weekend at this site and Harris Ranch seems a bit odd. OTOH, they did get some negative PR from the use of diesel gensets, so maybe that's the reason. The Buttonwillow SC is certainly needed soon, and as the number of cars grow they'll eventually also need them at Lost Hills and Kettleman City plus probably Santa Nella/Los Banos and maybe another in Gorman/Castaic/San Fernando etc. to space people out, plus some smart nav to direct the cars to sites they can reach with empty stalls.
The fire wasn't predictable, but lots of travel on I-5 on a 3-day Xmas holiday weekend certainly was. Even without the 101 shutdown there would have been a queue at Tejon and/or Harris Ranch. From comments on TMC from people who were stuck there, it seems few of the Model S in line had detoured from 101 - see post #51: http://www.teslamotorsclub.com/showthread.php/59542-11-car-wait-at-Tejon-Ranch-AVOID-IF-YOU-CAN%21%21%21%21/page6TonyWilliams said:GRA said:The strange thing is that Tesla has previously provided extra mobile diesel-powered SCs at Harris Ranch on Memorial Day weekend, so why they didn't anticipate a problem this weekend at this site and Harris Ranch seems a bit odd. OTOH, they did get some negative PR from the use of diesel gensets, so maybe that's the reason. The Buttonwillow SC is certainly needed soon, and as the number of cars grow they'll eventually also need them at Lost Hills and Kettleman City plus probably Santa Nella/Los Banos and maybe another in Gorman/Castaic/San Fernando etc. to space people out, plus some smart nav to direct the cars to sites they can reach with empty stalls.
Yes, Tesla should have somehow predicted the closure of US-101 between Los Angeles and San Francisco, which is why there were so many cars on Interstate 5 between Los Angeles and San Francisco.
TonyWilliams said:Yes, they need more Superchargers, and I hope that's always the case.
Seeing as how I-5 is faster and sees far more traffic between Norcal and SoCal, makes sense to me - I know which route I take when time is an issue. And unlike either of us, the poster at TMC was actually there and talked to other owners who were waiting, so unless you can think of some reason for them all to lie, I have no reason to doubt the claim.TonyWilliams said:Yes, one of two major arteries through our fine state between the two largest metro area in the state only had one person who decided to drive via 101... sure, that makes perfect sense.
Yes, they need more Superchargers, and I hope that's always the case. But pretending that having a major highway between combined population centers of over 20 million people, and only 1 Tesla driver decided to drive the far more scenic route during a holiday weekend is weak, at best.
Heck, I just returned from the Bay Area on Xmas eve... via 101. I guess I was just the second guy to do so.
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