thankyouOB
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^ yes, and a scorching reception from LEAF owners who want some answers and straight-talk from them about the battery replacement pricing.
and i love my LEAF.
and i love my LEAF.
Does anyone from Nissan still read this forum ?BBrockman said:Hi everyone:
First of all, I'd like to introduce myself. I'm Brian Brockman, and I am a senior manager in corporate communications at Nissan, based at our Americas HQ in Franklin, Tenn. While LEAF is fairly new to my list of official job responsibilities, I've been engaged in the program for some time, serving as our Midwest communications manager based in Michigan since 2007.
KJD said:Does anyone from Nissan still read this forum ?
If so would you please give us a summary of today's meeting in Phoenix.
KJD
evchels said:KJD said:Does anyone from Nissan still read this forum ?
If so would you please give us a summary of today's meeting in Phoenix.
KJD
Yes, I'm sure they do!
This is a much smaller and somewhat informal event (so no big presentations or videotaping planned). But most of the drivers attending are active in this forum, and I'll be there too. Between us, we'll do our best to convey whatever information is shared tonight. And I will encourage Brian B and the others to get back in here too.
Meeting ran late last night; the locals are prob still racked out. And the cell service here is way less than stellar, so the out of towners prob can't post yet. (Took me 15 minutes to get this reply up.)mwalsh said:I know the meeting was only yesterday, but...
Really? No one attending have ANY comment yet?
jhm614 said:Meeting ran late last night; the locals are prob still racked out. And the cell service here is way less than stellar, so the out of towners prob can't post yet. (Took me 15 minutes to get this reply up.)mwalsh said:I know the meeting was only yesterday, but...
Really? No one attending have ANY comment yet?
Anyway, there was good info and several people took notes, so it will probably start trickling out today.
TickTock said:The exciting news last night was they are 80% done with the testing on a new battery chemistry that dramatically addresses the heat issue - enough that the LEAF could even be sold in climates hotter than PHX (like Abh Dhabi). Testing includeS 24/7 soak at 45C and preliminary results show degradation on par with the more moderate climates. This new battery is trending to an April 2014 rollout but folks facing a replacement now shouldn't wait since they want everyone to have one so will give such folks a coupon to replace to the new technology at a date of their choosing. Now to the explanation as to why there has been no price announced.
I'm am reasonably certain this is already happening in 2013. At least there are some Nissan employees driving around in prototypes in the valley and I would venture they have this technology. It only took one summer with the 2011 to see the issue (I was raising concerns back on Oct'11 but at the time everyone thought I just had a lemon). Perhaps this is part of the remaining 20% of testing Andy referred to. If these batteries survive one summer with no more degradation than our northern friends, I won't need any further convincing.Weatherman said:Maybe a real-life test (like putting the battery in a real car in Phoenix and having it run through the summers of 2014 and 2015) would be more convincing.
I hadn't thought about it before, but I've never kept a car for less than ten years either. My LEAF replaced an '86 VW Golf that had a fatal encounter with a deer at more than 230k miles; bought it new in 1985. My current ICE car is a '96 that I bought used in '99; it is barely into middle age for a car by my standards.thankyouOB said:...sure, you can survey folks who arent owners and their response will be as nissan suggests, but these are not folks who keep their cars for more than 3-5 years, as many of us do. i have a 1999 volvo t5 with stick that i had detailed yesterday. it has 130k miles on it.
the only cars i have gotten rid of in less than 10 years ever, were either stolen or wrecked. there are lots of folks like me. i get their marketing problem but the survey is bogus.
i expect to have the LEAF for 10 years, if i can keep the range at a useable figure. i would be unlikely to lease a battery to do so.
phxsmiley said:But as was said earlier, it's not quantititve to aske lessees about battery pack pricing. You need to ONLY ask that question of purchasers to get valid data. And narrowing it down even more...purchasers who are likely to hold for an extended period.
I just realized that people who own for a shorter period would need to know for reasons of resale value. So I'm backtracking from that last comment.
BBrockman said:I'm still here, and do plan to provide some updates on a number of topics from the information discussed this evening.
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