I have 16,000 miles on mine. Yes, it is very rare to have less than 3 bars for me. In fact I think I've only ever seen as low as 1 bar only one time and I think two bars I've seen maybe 7 or 8 times since I've owned the car.surfingslovak said:How many annual miles on the Leaf, about 9,700? I believe you mentioning that you rarely take the battery below 3 bars?adric22 said:
OK, great, interesting info. Have you owned the Leaf for about 20 months now? I'm just trying to figure out how many miles it's driven on an annual basis. Would you be willing to share your ZIP code? On average, how many hours does the car sit outside in the sun each day? No Gid reading available, right?adric22 said:I have 16,000 miles on mine. Yes, it is very rare to have less than 3 bars for me. In fact I think I've only ever seen as low as 1 bar only one time and I think two bars I've seen maybe 7 or 8 times since I've owned the car.surfingslovak said:How many annual miles on the Leaf, about 9,700? I believe you mentioning that you rarely take the battery below 3 bars?adric22 said:
No, set the end timer to the exact time she leaves, or perhaps even 20-30 minutes later. The Leaf will always finish charging early using the end timer only setting, so you don't have to worry about it being fully charged. Also, if the Leaf only got to 95% instead of 100% it wouldn't make much difference for your wife. If climate control pre-conditioning is on, charging may finish 2-3 hours early. See also this thread:downeykp said:
Yeah, I bought it in March 2011. Zip code is 76060. The car is garaged at home, but sits in the sun while at work for 9 hours per day.surfingslovak said:
adric22 said:
Gotta be entry #103 in the survey: http://www.pluginamerica.org/surveys/batteries/leaf/vehicle.php?vid=103" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;DaveinOlyWA said:
DaveinOlyWA said:
Not to mention that low temps seems to do a good job of mitigating the battery degradation, anyway. I'd set the end time for when she leaves, and not sweat 2, or even 5 hours of sitting in the cold of early morning before she left.Stoaty said:
Sure, but the mainstream U.S. consumer in the '60s is far different from who they are now. Air conditioning didn't become universal in the U.S. market until what, the '90s (In my '88 Subaru it was a dealer-installed option)? My Dad's (subsequently my) '65 Impala had poor man's air conditioning - open the windows and footwell vents (remember them?) and go like hell. In the Bay Area it worked, it didn't on I-5 in the summerNubo said:GRA said:
That example doesn't quite prove your point. The VW beetle was one of the all-time automotive success stories. With 21 million built, it was decidedly "mainstream"
The heat did suck though.
Power windows? Auto-dimming headlights and rear-view mirrors? Power doors with remote access? High-end Infotainment systems (hell, FM radios)? Hahah.. I have tried pointing this out to my wife before. She will literally throw a fit like you wouldn't believe if the temperature in the house or in the car is 1 degree off from where she likes it. Every now and then I try to remind her that humans have been on this planet for around 200,000 years and only in the last 50 years or so has air conditioning even been available to most people in their homes. All of those people before us have survived without it. Surely she can. But that doesn't seem to help any.GRA said:Sure, but the mainstream U.S. consumer in the '60s is far different from who they are now. Air conditioning didn't become universal in the U.S. market until what, the '90s (In my '88 Subaru it was a dealer-installed option)? My Dad's (subsequently my) '65 Impala had poor man's air conditioning - open the windows and footwell vents (remember them?) and go like hell. In the Bay Area it worked, it didn't on I-5 in the summer
One of my biggest gripes about Japanese cars (three out of the four that I've owned) is that they bundle options that boost the car's utility with options that primarily boost the car's luxury value (and the manufacturer's profit), forcing you to pay for the latter when you only want the former. I realize this dates back to the days when they were only allowed to import a limited number of cars so they wanted to send the ones with the biggest markups, but the same limitation doesn't exist today.mkjayakumar said:
adric22 said:Hahah.. I have tried pointing this out to my wife before. She will literally throw a fit like you wouldn't believe if the temperature in the house or in the car is 1 degree off from where she likes it. Every now and then I try to remind her that humans have been on this planet for around 200,000 years and only in the last 50 years or so has air conditioning even been available to most people in their homes. All of those people before us have survived without it. Surely she can. But that doesn't seem to help any.GRA said:Sure, but the mainstream U.S. consumer in the '60s is far different from who they are now. Air conditioning didn't become universal in the U.S. market until what, the '90s (In my '88 Subaru it was a dealer-installed option)? My Dad's (subsequently my) '65 Impala had poor man's air conditioning - open the windows and footwell vents (remember them?) and go like hell. In the Bay Area it worked, it didn't on I-5 in the summer
Why would it bug YOU? You have no intention of ever owning a LEAF, anyway.GRA said:
davewill said:
True, given Nissan's behavior toward their current owners they've lost me as a potential customer. But it's the mindset that bothers me, and as I said it's not just from Nissan, it's all the Japanese manufacturers. The two biggest issues regarding improving sales of BEVs are range and price. If they want to have the car considered by a larger share of the market, then they need to get the price down, the range up at the same price, or both. There is a segment of the market which, like me, is more concerned about the car's basic utility than we are with frou-frou features; we can add those later. But at least some of that market is in Romney's famous 47%, and another share is of people whose fed. liability is far less than $7,500. For that group, lower MSRP without losing functionality _as a car_ is critical.davewill said:
for Nissan ended at 4 pm, for some reason. I spoke to some folks who got into a Leaf (at the booth inside) a bit after 5 pm and seemed semi-interested. They said they'd just arrived at the show. I told them to go back outside and go for test drives pronto, before it's too late. They said they saw Leafs outside and nobody was around. Oh well... Also, the times when I was waiting for test drives, it seemed there were not many takers for Leaf and '13 Altima test drives. They were all mostly sitting idle.davewill said:
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