TomT
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I'd certainly want him negotiating on MY side for anything!
SSS said:
Official Tesla Model 3 thread
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apvbguy
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if you were talking about an ICE car the 2k would be like prepaying your fuel costs. sorry to say that while some of your objections might be valid, this one is weak at bestkeydiver said:
evnow
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TomT said:
At 6000 employment it works out to be over 200k per job.
There is a thread on whether this is worth 100B to Nevada on TMC.
http://www.teslamotorsclub.com/showthread.php/35492-How-does-the-Gigafactory-equate-to-100B-of-economic-impact-to-Neveda" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Here is an interesting link from the thread - 5 local jobs created per one high tech job is a multiplier I had not seen before.
DaveinOlyWA
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evnow said:
i also question the 100B benefit but some who live in area with better knowledge did admit this is over an extended time up to 20 years. I am not very comfortable counting money from newer technology that far in the future especially when new "thoughts" on power storage are coming out daily
evnow
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Here is the official Tesla Model 3 thread.
I'll keep track of Tesla pronouncements about Model 3 in this post.
- 2017
- $35k before tax incentives (or $40k according to official spokesman)
- 200 miles of range
- 20% smaller than Model S
- Competing with BMW 3 series
- Will use new batteries from the Nevada GigaFactory which is a JV with Panasonic
- Supercharger capable with no ongoing costs (i.e. free)
Sources :
http://www.teslamotorsclub.com/showthread.php/22982-Gen-III-summary" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
http://www.latimes.com/business/autos/la-fi-hy-tesla-model-3-20140716-story.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
I'll keep track of Tesla pronouncements about Model 3 in this post.
- 2017
- $35k before tax incentives (or $40k according to official spokesman)
- 200 miles of range
- 20% smaller than Model S
- Competing with BMW 3 series
- Will use new batteries from the Nevada GigaFactory which is a JV with Panasonic
- Supercharger capable with no ongoing costs (i.e. free)
Sources :
http://www.teslamotorsclub.com/showthread.php/22982-Gen-III-summary" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
http://www.latimes.com/business/autos/la-fi-hy-tesla-model-3-20140716-story.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
evnow
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http://www.greencarreports.com/news/1094442_tesla-battery-cost-new-report-suggests-model-3-to-cost-50k-or-more" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
edatoakrun
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Already an 8-page thread on the "III" here:
Tesla model III. When, how far, and how much?
http://www.mynissanleaf.com/viewtopic.php?f=10&t=17371" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
evnow
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Merged a couple of old threads.
LTLFTcomposite
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KJD said:
Pretty sure that will be the LEAF. Consumer products are almost always diminishing return on price.
KJD said:
Varies widely from person to person depending upon their needs.
In general, for the largest part of the market, I would guess the Leaf will.
Of course, I am also guessing the gen 2 Leaf will also be less expensive.
If it is the same cost, I would guess the Model 3 will give the most bang for the buck.
GRA
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Just a bit premature to be asking, don't you think, since neither car is available (or even fully designed AFAWK), we don't have a firm price, features list, or any reviews. You might as well be asking whether Space X or Boeing will give you the most bang for the buck for a trip to Mars - any answer would be as accurate.KJD said:
evnow
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KJD said:
At this point we can only speculate. I'd guess 2017 for Leaf 2 and 2018 for Model 3 test drives.
I'm sure Nissan hopes Leaf 2 will give most bang for the buck and sell the most. So does Tesla for Model 3.
dgpcolorado
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Yes, it depends on how one defines "bang for the buck". If it's just range and the Gen 2 LEAF is cheaper, I suppose that one could make the argument for the LEAF. But I disagree with that view. If the Model III isn't hugely more expensive, being Supercharger capable changes everything. A 150-200 mile LEAF is of little additional utility to me versus my current 70 mile LEAF. A Supercharger capable Model III has vastly greater utility and is of much greater interest.Zythryn said:
So, what does one want? A commuter car that can handle double the range of current commuter EVs (LEAF Gen 2)? Or "One Car to Rule Them All" that can handle long interstate trips (Model III). Assuming that the cars do show up with the ranges that we have been speculating about, the decision then comes down to price. Will the Model III be affordable compared to the Gen 2 LEAF? If the prices are close, it is no contest. (For me, at least.)
dgpcolorado
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I don't buy this. While I wouldn't be surprised if Tesla does start off with expensive "Signature" models to pad margins, I don't think the Model III has to cost $50K, never mind $80K. Even if you use battery prices well above optimistic numbers being thrown around ($167/kWh), is it so hard to assume that a price well below $50K can be achieved?evnow said:
If the Model III is 80% the size of the Model S, the weight and CdA will be similarly lower. So, I don't think that it is unreasonable to assume a battery pack that is 90% of the Model S pack size to get a 200 mile range. That would be 54 kWh. At $200/kWh the pack would cost $10,800. Would the car have to cost $50K or more with a $10,800 battery pack? Or with a $250/kWh pack for $13,500?
I just don't buy the notion that the battery has to get down to $167/kWh, or lower, for the Model III to be less than $50K.
GRA
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Boy, that puts a whole different complexion on things. So, you're saying that Elon lives in the Dark Tower? :shock: I'm having some difficulty picturing Fremont as Mordor (although it's indistinguishable from any number of nondescript SoCal stripmall suburbs, so YMMV), and Mt. Hamilton looks absolutely nothing like Orodruin. There just aren't that many 'dark, Satanic Mills' around when you need them these days. Although I wouldn't be surprised if there are Tesla owners who call their cars "My Precioussss" while fondling them. :lol:dgpcolorado said:
I'm almost ashamed to admit I can recite this from memory:
Ash nazg durbatuluk, ash nazg gimbatul,
Ash nazg thrakatuluk, agh burzum-ishi krimpatul!
(Still able to read the Feanorian script on title pages, but slower than I used to)
GRA
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Yeah, Anderman's numbers don't make sense. $50k for a loaded version I could see, but how in hell is a car that's smaller and lighter and can use a somewhat smaller battery (I'm assuming the same or slightly higher Cd, but lower A) going to cost more than a Model S 60 of the same range, even if it used the current battery?dgpcolorado said:
evnow
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S starts at $72k. What Anderman is saying is that 3 will start at $50k.GRA said:
According to Tesla spokesman (I linked the LA article above) 3 is now supposed to cost $40k, not $35k.
Is it so difficult to see that $40k morph into $45k ? I don't think so.
Yes, I don't expect $50k - but $45k is still closer to $50k than $35k. Though, I hope it is $40k and not $45k.
Ofcourse, Anderman is a long time battery pessimist ...
dgpcolorado
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Hah! Really enjoyed that GRA.GRA said:
