keydiver said:Is that really happening? Does Nissan have a viable outlet for 33% degraded packs?
nerys said:And if one cell caused that dip it might not be anywhere near 33% with that cell removed or replaced.
I don't really see why not. High temps seem to be the only real weakness. Put them in an air conditioned space or deploy them in a cool/cold climate, and they should perform fine. If I wanted battery backup for an office building in, say, northern Japan, I don't see why they wouldn't be a good choice. The problem right now is more likely to be that there are not enough of them in Nissan's hands for big deployments.TomT said:...And I agree, the first few years of batteries at least, what with their attendant degradation defect, would not be good candidates this.
What about one-at-a-time deployments where, say, a LEAF owner with a degraded battery has the option to buy the car a new battery and have the old one put to use right in their home? If most of the cost of those backup/storage systems is the battery, then a package of housing-plus-electronics-plus-installation would provide an immediate path for reuse of the old battery and give the owner something they'd likely already be interested in having. Dunno how the economics would work, but I'll bet some folks here could fill the backs of a few envelopes with rough guessesdavewill said:The problem right now is more likely to be that there are not enough of them in Nissan's hands for big deployments.
BudRaymond said:So does anyone know if the 30kW pack will work in a 2011 SL?
DaveinOlyWA said:i can pretty much guarantee you will not know that answer (at least not from Nissan) for more than a year...BudRaymond said:So does anyone know if the 30kW pack will work in a 2011 SL?
TomT said:And I pretty much guarantee the answer will be "no." Or, at the very least, you will not be able to access more than 24 Kwh (like in the Tesla 40)...
DaveinOlyWA said:i can pretty much guarantee you will not know that answer (at least not from Nissan) for more than a year...BudRaymond said:So does anyone know if the 30kW pack will work in a 2011 SL?
DaveinOlyWA said:that is a possibility and would save Nissan the hassle of reprogramming everything to recognize and address the extra capacity but I see that as a mistake simply because there will be too many willing to pay for the additional capacity outside the warranty period
TomT said:And has been said many times, Nissan is in the business of selling cars, not upgrades...
DaveinOlyWA said:that is a possibility and would save Nissan the hassle of reprogramming everything to recognize and address the extra capacity but I see that as a mistake simply because there will be too many willing to pay for the additional capacity outside the warranty period
DaveinOlyWA said:just like Tesla right?
TomT said:A very bad analogy! Tesla and Nissan could not be much more different in their corporate strategy and business models. I so wish Nissan WAS much more like Tesla!
DaveinOlyWA said:just like Tesla right?
DaveinOlyWA said:How far they take it is up to them but after nearly 5 years, they are just now getting followers. This can only be a good thing.
TomT said:Unfortunately, the way they treated many of the early adopters has also cost them a number of initial followers...
TomT said:Unfortunately, the way they treated many of the early adopters has also cost them a number of initial followers...
DaveinOlyWA said:How far they take it is up to them but after nearly 5 years, they are just now getting followers. This can only be a good thing.
I'll flip that around: the Model 3 will address my needs and desires in a fossil-fuel-free car, at long last. And I am not alone!DaveinOlyWA said:...But the real crux of the issue is that that Tesla 3 will not solve any of my problems or address any of my needs and I am not alone.
OrientExpress said:But seriously, the way that some early adopters behaved in the early days of the LEAF, poisoned the well so badly that today anyone that takes the moniker of "Early Adopter" is persona non-grata with every EV maker.
dgpcolorado said:I'll flip that around: the Model 3 will address my needs and desires in a fossil-fuel-free car, at long last. And I am not alone!DaveinOlyWA said:...But the real crux of the issue is that that Tesla 3 will not solve any of my problems or address any of my needs and I am not alone.
We'll see what happens in the next two to three years. You might be right in your views about Tesla — perhaps they will fail — although I'm hoping otherwise. And I wish Nissan well with their EV program as I continue to happily drive my LEAF, despite the shrinking range and lack of useful regen.
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