Tesla Supercharger Network

[ebill3]

Unbelievable! Today TSLA has opened up by dropping almost 9%. I would have thought it would have received a bump. It did in my view as I was sitting on the fence about whether to spend that much money on a car, but now that it can be my only car and I can eliminate two vehicles I'm ready to put down my deposit for a Model S-P60 or P85. The difference is on road trips. A P60 will need to stop for fuel every two hours, and a P85 every three hours.

I'm going 85. Like the greater latitude on when/where to charge.

Hmmmm. The NW is way ahead of CA on CHAdeMO, and now CA is way ahead on Super Chargers.

 

[grommet]

Tesla continues to have production issues, and they've lowered the number of cars they'll be able to produce this year once again. Result: Stock impact. Without moving cars, gross margin takes a hit. They need to win this race, or they'll be a footnote in EV history after running out of cash.

 

[redLEAF]

AutoWeek take on the Tesla charging stations ... pretty exclusive use but interesting model with ability to 'run things backwards' (solar power) when not in use by Tesla owners

http://www.autoweek.com/article/201...ing-network-in-U.S.&utm_campaign=awdailydrive

"Tesla secretly developed four stations in Southern California and unveiled them operationally late on Sept. 24. Two more will go online in early October, with the web expanding to Las Vegas, northern California and Oregon by next summer, Musk said.

Within two years, most of the U.S. will be covered, with the following time being used to backfill areas so that eventually stations are no more than 200 miles apart.

Musk said similar sized networks will be placed in Europe and Asia starting next summer.

For owners of other brand electric vehicles--and even the original Tesla Roadster--the fast chargers will only work with the Tesla Model S and future Tesla models. That is because the 100-kilowatt charging current is too powerful for lesser battery packs, Musk said.

The stations will get their power from solar panels mounted overhead, courtesy of Musk's sister company, Solar City."

 

[palmermd]

Tesla continues to have production issues, and they've lowered the number of cars they'll be able to produce this year once again. Result: Stock impact. Without moving cars, gross margin takes a hit. They need to win this race, or they'll be a footnote in EV history after running out of cash.

ok, I did not see this other news release this morning. It looks like they were hoping to offset the bad news with good news and have them go out at the same time. Looks like people are still fearful.

http://wallstcheatsheet.com/stocks/tesla-heres-a-list-of-difficulties-slamming-production-now.html/?ref=YF" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

 

[Electric4Me]

I imagine that a few more Model S reservation holders will soon change their reservation for a larger battery pack... Tesla will profit from selling more of the big packs.

 

[cwerdna]

Tesla continues to have production issues, and they've lowered the number of cars they'll be able to produce this year once again. Result: Stock impact. Without moving cars, gross margin takes a hit. They need to win this race, or they'll be a footnote in EV history after running out of cash.

ok, I did not see this other news release this morning. It looks like they were hoping to offset the bad news with good news and have them go out at the same time. Looks like people are still fearful.

http://wallstcheatsheet.com/stocks/tesla-heres-a-list-of-difficulties-slamming-production-now.html/?ref=YF" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Last night, when the stock was down 9% in pre-market trading, I'd only heard about the 4.3 million additional shares stock offering. The forecast cut and being behind on production ramp is new news. It's interesting how everything's been timed, to do as you suggest.

 

[adric22]

I'm happy for tesla, and this is a great stride forward ... but it really seems to me that muddying the waters further on the quick charge standard is more harmful than the charging network is helpful... I understand they want to ensure their investment benefits primarily their company rather than other companies, but seriously, the real barrier to their success is NOT Tesla Vs Volt Vs Leaf etc., it's overall adoption - and adding further confusion to what quick chargers are compatible with which cars definitely won't help that

I agree to a certain extent. Obviously at this stage of the game the few consumers that are even aware of electric vehicles probably don't understand the different charging standards out there. So it probably isn't hurting much at this point. And truth be told, I have a deep foreboding suspicion that 5 to 10 years down the road only two types of EVs will remain. One will be the Chevy Volt style vehicle and the other will be Tesla. When I mean style, I mean that other manufacturers will probably make similar PHEV products. I have a fear that the Leaf as we know it may disappear, at least in the USA.

But where I do agree is that if the EV movement is successful all around, then naturally that is a huge boost to Tesla. Failure of the Leaf will probably do more harm to Tesla than anything else because people will lump them all EV's in the same sentence.

 

[Nubo]

Jack Rickard over at EVTV had this figured out a few weeks ago. There is a sharp mind behind those ramblings.

 

[palmermd]

Jack Rickard over at EVTV had this figured out a few weeks ago. There is a sharp mind behind those ramblings.

I don't want to brag too much, but I think he stole my idea... Read my comments here on June 8 http://www.mynissanleaf.com/viewtopic.php?f=26&t=9111" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; and then compare to his comments on the video he produced on June 15 http://blog.evtv.me/2012/06/a-little-bit-of-sunshine-and-the-tesla-stockholders-meeting/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

 

[davewill]

...For owners of other brand electric vehicles--and even the original Tesla Roadster--the fast chargers will only work with the Tesla Model S and future Tesla models. That is because the 100-kilowatt charging current is too powerful for lesser battery packs, Musk said. ...

Now there's a bunch of horse dung. The station HAS to be able to support variable charge rates since the battery pack needs different voltage and amperage depending on the charge level of the battery. The "Superchargers" don't work with other cars because Tesla doesn't want them to, not because they're "too powerful".

 

[GRA]

Here's a map showing where the first six are:

http://www.teslamotors.com/supercharger" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

I predicted that they'd need them around Santa Nella and near Laval Rd. (~4 miles south of the Int. of I-5 and Hwy 99) to allow the 60kWh version to make the SF-LA run via I-5. What they've done instead is put in a station at Gilroy, so the 60kWh version will need to take 101 to there and cut across 152 to Santa Nella then south on I-5 to Harris Ranch (111 miles), rather than taking 580 out to Tracy and then south on I-5. They've also put one in south of where I thought, well up the Grapevine at Tejon Ranch instead of at the base (Laval Rd.). This is a 124 mile run from Harris Ranch with a lot of climb southbound, and while the 60kWh car can just about make it when new (on an 80% QC) if it's not using a lot of heat or A/C, it will be tight with any battery degradation. They'll need one further north once the batteries age a little, or else the drivers will have to slow well below the traffic flow.

The two chargers in Folsom and Barstow are obviously to provide access to Lake Tahoe/Reno and Las Vegas.

 

[palmermd]

Here's a map showing where the first six are:

http://www.teslamotors.com/supercharger" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

I predicted that they'd need them around Santa Nella and near Laval Rd. (~4 miles south of the Int. of I-5 and Hwy 99) to allow the 60kWh version to make the SF-LA run via I-5. What they've done instead is put in a station at Gilroy, so the 60kWh version will need to take 101 to there and cut across 152 to Santa Nella then south on I-5 to Harris Ranch (111 miles), rather than taking 580 out to Tracy and then south on I-5. They've also put one in south of where I thought, well up the Grapevine at Tejon Ranch instead of at the base (Laval Rd.). This is a 124 mile run from Harris Ranch with a lot of climb southbound, and while the 60kWh car can just about make it when new (on an 80% QC) if it's not using a lot of heat or A/C, it will be tight with any battery degradation. They'll need one further north once the batteries age a little, or else the drivers will have to slow well below the traffic flow.

The two chargers in Folsom and Barstow are obviously to provide access to Lake Tahoe/Reno and Las Vegas.

Well, the one he is calling Tejon ranch is on Laval road like you suggest. I wish they chose Santa Nella instead of Gilroy myself. There is one to the west of Gilroy on the 2 year plan, but I dont see a city yet, but it looks like possibly Merced on 99 for folks headed to Yosemite. I'm hoping it is in Santa Nella or Los Banos instead.

https://www.zeemaps.com/map?group=406527" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

I put all the links to the information in the original Supercharger Network thread. http://www.mynissanleaf.com/viewtopic.php?f=26&t=9111" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

 

[GRA]

Here's a map showing where the first six are:

http://www.teslamotors.com/supercharger" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

I predicted that they'd need them around Santa Nella and near Laval Rd. (~4 miles south of the Int. of I-5 and Hwy 99) to allow the 60kWh version to make the SF-LA run via I-5. What they've done instead is put in a station at Gilroy, so the 60kWh version will need to take 101 to there and cut across 152 to Santa Nella then south on I-5 to Harris Ranch (111 miles), rather than taking 580 out to Tracy and then south on I-5. They've also put one in south of where I thought, well up the Grapevine at Tejon Ranch instead of at the base (Laval Rd.). This is a 124 mile run from Harris Ranch with a lot of climb southbound, and while the 60kWh car can just about make it when new (on an 80% QC) if it's not using a lot of heat or A/C, it will be tight with any battery degradation. They'll need one further north once the batteries age a little, or else the drivers will have to slow well below the traffic flow.

The two chargers in Folsom and Barstow are obviously to provide access to Lake Tahoe/Reno and Las Vegas.

Well, the one he is calling Tejon ranch is on Laval road like you suggest. I wish they chose Santa Nella instead of Gilroy myself. There is one to the west of Gilroy on the 2 year plan, but I dont see a city yet, but it looks like possibly Merced on 99 for folks headed to Yosemite. I'm hoping it is in Santa Nella or Los Banos instead.

https://www.zeemaps.com/map?group=406527" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

I put all the links to the information in the original Supercharger Network thread. http://www.mynissanleaf.com/viewtopic.php?f=26&t=9111" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Thanks for that. No way is that Tejon Ranch, at least not according to Google Maps!

 

[palmermd]

Here's a map showing where the first six are:

http://www.teslamotors.com/supercharger" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

I predicted that they'd need them around Santa Nella and near Laval Rd. (~4 miles south of the Int. of I-5 and Hwy 99) to allow the 60kWh version to make the SF-LA run via I-5. What they've done instead is put in a station at Gilroy, so the 60kWh version will need to take 101 to there and cut across 152 to Santa Nella then south on I-5 to Harris Ranch (111 miles), rather than taking 580 out to Tracy and then south on I-5. They've also put one in south of where I thought, well up the Grapevine at Tejon Ranch instead of at the base (Laval Rd.). This is a 124 mile run from Harris Ranch with a lot of climb southbound, and while the 60kWh car can just about make it when new (on an 80% QC) if it's not using a lot of heat or A/C, it will be tight with any battery degradation. They'll need one further north once the batteries age a little, or else the drivers will have to slow well below the traffic flow.

The two chargers in Folsom and Barstow are obviously to provide access to Lake Tahoe/Reno and Las Vegas.

Well, the one he is calling Tejon ranch is on Laval road like you suggest. I wish they chose Santa Nella instead of Gilroy myself. There is one to the west of Gilroy on the 2 year plan, but I dont see a city yet, but it looks like possibly Merced on 99 for folks headed to Yosemite. I'm hoping it is in Santa Nella or Los Banos instead.

https://www.zeemaps.com/map?group=406527" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

I put all the links to the information in the original Supercharger Network thread. http://www.mynissanleaf.com/viewtopic.php?f=26&t=9111" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Thanks for that. No way is that Tejon Ranch, at least not according to Google Maps!

Tejon Ranch is a BIG place. The station is in the Tejon Industrial complex, and he kept calling it Tejon, not Tejon Ranch.

https://maps.google.com/maps?q=Lava...GqneLs6mPSKthGvHA0osMQ&cbp=12,197.37,,2,-4.21

 

[cwerdna]

http://www.teslamotorsclub.com/entry.php/11-Supercharger-unveiling-event" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; has some more info than what was there last night.

 

[GPowers]

I think is is very short sighted that the Superchargers only work with a limited number of Tesla Model S cars (only the 60 & 85 kWh models). No Tesla Roadsters, or any other electric that has a 440v charging port.

Add a level II and or Level III port and charge for it.

It is important for ALL electric cars to be successful, not just Tesla.

 

[Harv]

I think is is very short sighted that the Superchargers only work with a limited number of Tesla Model S cars (only the 60 & 85 kWh models). No Tesla Roadsters, or any other electric that has a 440v charging port.

Add a level II and or Level III port and charge for it.

It is important for ALL electric cars to be successful, not just Tesla.

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[Deleted member 776]

I think is is very short sighted that the Superchargers only work with a limited number of Tesla Model S cars (only the 60 & 85 kWh models). No Tesla Roadsters, or any other electric that has a 440v charging port.
Add a level II and or Level III port and charge for it.
It is important for ALL electric cars to be successful, not just Tesla.

Yes, it's important for all electric cars to be successful, but it's not Tesla's responsibility to do that. They are looking out for their own customers and want to promote their newer cars, not anyone else's.

Also, if they did have level II charging for my Leaf, I would be tying up a station - charging at the slow 3.3kW rate. These charging stations are for Tesla vehicle so that they can do long range travel between cities. Also, these station are not set up to "charge" for electricity - you'll have to go to a Blink or Chargepoint station for that. I think they chose a simple, low cost, uncomplicated, economic economic model for their stations with the maximum benefit for their own brand.

 

[GeekEV]

How long until Ingineer makes an adapter? :lol: :lol: :lol:

 

[JohnOver]

How long until Ingineer makes an adapter? :lol: :lol: :lol:

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