tcherniaev
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Well, they did not specify if it's going to be by spring in the North hemisphere or in the South hemisphere. So they technically have until September.
Yes, I've realized all along that Nissan has a lot of uncertainty in its costs, and I don't envy them the job of setting a price. However it would be very beneficial to Leaf sales, not to mention to current Leaf owners, if Nissan would shoulder a major portion of that uncertainty instead of leaving it all on the owners.ERG4ALL said:I'm trying to think what Nissan is up against. ...As Andy said, they want to make sure that the prices they do come out with will be stable and not vacillate all over the map over the near future.
Exactly! Or do what Tesla does. Give owners an option to pay now at a heavy discount for a battery replacement years down the line when the existing battery is supposed to be end of its life.walterbays said:They could say something like: we guarantee a price ceiling on exchange for a remanufactured battery of original or better specifications to all current owners and all who buy by the end of the year. The price in 2014 will be no more than $XXX (24 kWh); the price in 2015 will be no more than $YYY/kWh (may be different capacity options); the price in 2016 will be no more than $ZZZ/kWh.
Yeah, the proposal by walterbays is a good one or what Tesla does.Volusiano said:Exactly! Or do what Tesla does. Give owners an option to pay now at a heavy discount for a battery replacement years down the line when the existing battery is supposed to be end of its life.walterbays said:They could say something like: we guarantee a price ceiling on exchange for a remanufactured battery of original or better specifications to all current owners and all who buy by the end of the year. The price in 2014 will be no more than $XXX (24 kWh); the price in 2015 will be no more than $YYY/kWh (may be different capacity options); the price in 2016 will be no more than $ZZZ/kWh.
Nissan shouldn't play dumb (like Andy Palmer did) about not realizing that a battery replacement strategy is on customers' minds. At least not anymore now in light of a cry for battery replacement pricing. Just get on with it, make the best guess on what it will cost 5 or 10 years from now, offer a tier'ed pricing plan and let customer opt to pay a low price for them now if they want to buy into it. This'd be a great way to promote customer loyalty as well as increase sales, because people know they can keep using their LEAF forever if a battery replacement program is available.
I think they could still give people incentives to buy new. E.g., say in 2015 you had something like these choices:cwerdna said:As for the bolded part, I don't think they'd want to do that. They're in the business of selling cars. If people can keep their Leafs forever, that runs counter to that goal.
...Under the rules, which come into force in 2015, a company car driver choosing a Renault ZOE would pay 5 per cent BIK tax on the full list price of the car before the government’s ‘plug-in car’ grant is deducted (if the grant is still available, it is due to expire in 2015 anyway).
On top of that the driver would also pay BIK on the value of the battery – understood to be currently £7,392 inc VAT for a ZOE battery. But the car user also has to lease the battery separately, a combination of factors which CAP believes many would-be business customers will view as prohibitively expensive...
thankyouOB said:nissan apparently has a choice here, as noted above.
in the end, it will be a question of whether they want to force some of us OUT OF the EV market.
Nissan can price the battery replacement so folks who need to go 50-70 miles a day are forced to sell after 3 or 4 years, or they can make it possible to replace the battery at a reasonable price and keep the car.
i hope they don't decide that they want us all to buy new EVs every 3-4 years. That likely will move me away from Nissan EVs and be death for their product.
I see NO reason to buy car that often and never have done so.
i buy what i consider to be at the top of my price range and treat it well, so it lasts.
i do not want to be perpetually indebted to the auto or finance industry for a vehicle.
thankyouOB said:nissan apparently has a choice here, as noted above.
in the end, it will be a question of whether they want to force some of us OUT OF the EV market.
Nissan can price the battery replacement so folks who need to go 50-70 miles a day are forced to sell after 3 or 4 years, or they can make it possible to replace the battery at a reasonable price and keep the car.
i hope they dont decide that they want us all to buy new EVs every 3-4 years. That likely will move me away from Nissan EVs and be death for their product.
I see NO reason to buy car that often and never have done so.
i buy what i consider to be at the top of my price range and treat it well, so it lasts.
i do not want to be perpetually indebted to the auto or finance industry for a vehicle.
thankyouOB said:nissan apparently has a choice here, as noted above.
in the end, it will be a question of whether they want to force some of us OUT OF the EV market.
Nissan can price the battery replacement so folks who need to go 50-70 miles a day are forced to sell after 3 or 4 years, or they can make it possible to replace the battery at a reasonable price and keep the car.
i hope they dont decide that they want us all to buy new EVs every 3-4 years. That likely will move me away from Nissan EVs and be death for their product.
I see NO reason to buy car that often and never have done so.
i buy what i consider to be at the top of my price range and treat it well, so it lasts.
i do not want to be perpetually indebted to the auto or finance industry for a vehicle.
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