JustinC
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6500 is the number of 2012 Model S's - more than the total number of Volts that have been sold so far. Granted, not as many as the total number of LEAFS.
You are not paying attention. He said they were sold out of 2012 production but he never said what that production would be. In fact he hasn't actually promised that they'll deliver anything. What we know is that in October of 2010 Musk said they'd produce 7000 units in 2012. In March of this year he said they'd produce 5000 units during 2012. Now he's saying the "target production" for 2012 is 5000. You see a trend?JustinC said:6500 is the number of 2012 Model S's - more than the total number of Volts that have been sold so far. Granted, not as many as the total number of LEAFS.
When I was a kid, grandma's house was 70 miles away, all 2-lane road (US 50), so we would have been good with the LEAF so long as we could charge it at the far end for the return...DaveL said:Stopping for a 25 minute charge every 65-75 miles is not very pratical when taking the kids to grandma's house 180 miles away.
I'd certainly attempt the trip from Philadelphia to Cincinnati in the LEAF if I knew that I could quick charge it along the way. Currently, I takes one long 10 hour day, but I'd split it into two more leasurely days in the LEAF. I think PA has a project to put charging stations in at the Service Plazas along the Turnpike out for proposals, at this point.Desertstraw said:For me, these capabilities would enhance the value of my Leaf.
“The paradox here is that current technology targeted at the mass market can usually accomplish a range … twice as far as the typical American drives each work day,” says Craig Giffi, Deloitte’s vice-chair and automotive practice leader. “Yet, for some reason, (that) is still unacceptable to most consumers.”
ILETRIC said:My commute is 84 freeway miles.
TonyWilliams said:ILETRIC said:My commute is 84 freeway miles.
Not sure what state you're in, but you could drive 50-55mph with the trucks in the slow lane on the freeway here in California. That would do it.
solartim said:TonyWilliams said:ILETRIC said:My commute is 84 freeway miles.
Not sure what state you're in, but you could drive 50-55mph with the trucks in the slow lane on the freeway here in California. That would do it.
Can you remember the last time you saw a truck going 55 in the slow lane? How about the cars and trucks with trailers? I sure would like to see those enforced. Get us out of this financial hole.
scottf200 said:Excellent point Herm on correcting the ongoing myths about the "Electric High-Speed CD mode".Herm said:As long as you stay within the range of the battery the gas engine wont come on.. you can accelerate as hard as you want, speed up to 100mph straight up a mountain and the engine wont come on.. until the battery is empty and the Volt switches mode and becomes a hybrid... perhaps you are confusing a Volt with a Prius Plug-In?. An expert hypermiler gets 70 miles of range out of the Volt's battery, but they would get nearly 140 out of a Leaf.LEAFfan said:Now if someone could drive a Volt, and miraculously use no gasoline (35-40 miles or less, no jackrabbit starts, no steep hills or mountains, and keep it under 70 on the freeways, then it would be a green machine. :mrgreen:
Four driving modes of Chevrolet Volt.
Electric Low-Speed [in Charge-Depleting (CD) mode]: The simplest and most well-known of the Volt's four modes, this calls for the vehicle to use the charge from its 435-lb lithium-ion battery pack to power a 111-kW ac traction motor. When the traction motor turns, it transmits power to a sun gear in a planetary gear set, which turns the drive axle. Volt owners are expected to make heavy use of this mode - many will drive the car to work and back, charge it at night, and never use a drop of gasoline in the process.
Electric High-Speed [in Charge-Depleting (CD) mode]: The Volt typically hits this mode at about 70 mph. Then, the supervisory controller splits the power between the large traction motor and a smaller 54-kW generator-motor (which is still operated by the battery). The planetary gear set blends the power from the two motors and sends it to the drive axle. Even as it switches to this mode, however, the Volt still is not employing its internal combustion engine - and therefore still isn't burning any gasoline.
Extended Range Low-Speed [in Charge-Sustaining (CS) mode]: <snip>
Extended Range High-Speed [in Charge-Sustaining (CS) mode]: <snip>
TonyWilliams said:ILETRIC said:My commute is 84 freeway miles.
Not sure what state you're in, but you could drive 50-55mph with the trucks in the slow lane on the freeway here in California. That would do it.
http://vxlive.feedroom.com/feedroom/http/4000/5172/6999/7438/Lobby/default.htm (13:00-13:30)LEAFfan said:Could you please post a link to this info.
drees said:That limit is only if you're quick charging on a daily basis - occasional multi QC use in a day is not an issue as long as battery temps stay within normal range. There are taxis in Japan getting QCd multiple times daily so I wouldn't necessarily worry about this too much.DaveL said:Nissan recommends no more than 1 L3 charge per day
TomT said:If you are traveling on the freeway, it would likely be more often than every 65-75 miles since you are normally only going to charge to 80 percent or so on a QC (the last 20 percent simply takes too long)
LEAFfan said:If you are taking a trip, you can safely QC up to 6 times in that day without degrading your battery pack. I've been telling people about this since June, but they just don't get it or want to believe it.
Herm said:LEAFfan said:If you are taking a trip, you can safely QC up to 6 times in that day without degrading your battery pack. I've been telling people about this since June, but they just don't get it or want to believe it.
In cooler weather you can probably QC several thousand times with normal degradation, a few everyday.. as long as the battery does not heat up much.
LEAFfan said:It doesn't have to be just in cooler weather. When Nissan tested the QCing here, it was well over 100 degrees. It's ok to charge as long as the battery temp is out of the red.
That would be because you only have the word of a marketing dude, and there's nothing else that supports your assertion.LEAFfan said:I've been telling people about this since June, but they just don't get it or want to believe it.
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