Run flat tires are a no-go for just about any EV. Far too much rolling resistance.
That's a shame. Then Nissan has to get on the ball and offer either a spare or at least tires with high damage resistance as well as LRR.
Run flat tires are a no-go for just about any EV. Far too much rolling resistance.
LeftieBiker said:Run flat tires are a no-go for just about any EV. Far too much rolling resistance.
That's a shame. Then Nissan has to get on the ball and offer either a spare or at least tires with high damage resistance as well as LRR.
Right now it looks like the i3 will have more range than the LEAF. It also looks like the Chevy Spark will have more range than the LEAF.drees said:Yeah, the way I figure it is that Tesla charges $400 / kWh to go from the 60-85 kWh Model S. That represents about the maximum I'd pay for more capacity. $7500 should buy about 19 kWh. Not 8 kWh.smkettner said:I would pay $7,500 for the EXTRA 24 kWh or 48 kWh total not the 36.
No way would I pay Nissan more per kWh for a questionable battery vs Tesla that seems more reliable.
That said, I think a lot of people would pay a $36,300 for a 36 kWh LEAF S (LEAF S MSRP = $28,800 + $7,500 = $36,300). If Nissan can add 10 kWh for $4,000 I think they'd sell a ton of them.
Not an issue when you have twice as much battery capacity.coolfilmaker said:Run flat tires are a no-go for just about any EV. Far too much rolling resistance.LeftieBiker said:EVerlasting said:If anyone is wondering where did the manage to add battery space: LEAF has a large amount of unused (wasted) space below the trunk compartment. A LEAF owner installed a spare tire in there. He estimates about 8" to 10" depth and since his 17" tire easily fits in there at least 20" length is available. The width is about the same as the trunk. The trunk could have been made deeper for more storage capacity OR this space could be used to extend battery capacity.
That wasted space should be utilized for two Leaf options: one with the smaller battery pack plus a spare tire and larger cargo area, and one with the larger battery - and maybe a slightly larger cargo area...plus run-flat tires.
adric22 said:I definitely think Nissan needs to offer a higher-end model that has at least 100 miles EPA range or more. I think there are plenty of people who will be happy with the lower-end 24Kwh version, especially if they live in an area with a lot of charging infrastructure. But I'm willing to bet half or more of buyers would be willing to shell out more cash for the higher range option.
The range of the Leaf when it is new is perfectly adequate for me. The problem is the rapid rate of degradation of the current Leaf battery pack. I live in a pretty average climate, baby my Leaf, and still I have 15% capacity loss in 2.33 years. Far from what I expected based on Nissan's original claims. I won't be buying another EV until the batteries used in that EV have a track record suggesting they will actually last 10 years.adric22 said:I definitely think Nissan needs to offer a higher-end model that has at least 100 miles EPA range or more.
I hear ya! I've had mine the same amount of time and have lost at least 10 miles of range from when it was new. But I sort of expected that and my commute is short so I'm not that worried. But you can add this to the list of many reasons why my next car will be a Volt (and we'll be a 2-Volt family at that point). I wish Nissan all the best, but I think the Volt is more for me than the Leaf.Stoaty said:The range of the Leaf when it is new is perfectly adequate for me. The problem is the rapid rate of degradation of the current Leaf battery pack. I live in a pretty average climate, baby my Leaf, and still I have 15% capacity loss in 2.33 years. Far from what I expected based on Nissan's original claims. I won't be buying another EV until the batteries used in that EV have a track record suggesting they will actually last 10 years.
That is why most of us leased.Stoaty said:The range of the Leaf when it is new is perfectly adequate for me. The problem is the rapid rate of degradation of the current Leaf battery pack. I live in a pretty average climate, baby my Leaf, and still I have 15% capacity loss in 2.33 years. Far from what I expected based on Nissan's original claims. I won't be buying another EV until the batteries used in that EV have a track record suggesting they will actually last 10 years.adric22 said:I definitely think Nissan needs to offer a higher-end model that has at least 100 miles EPA range or more.
I call research and it risk assessment. Li-ion batteries have been known to degrade quickly.cwerdna said:^^^
Hindsight is 20/20.
DanCar said:I call research and it risk assessment. Li-ion batteries have been known to degrade quickly.
Never trust what a vendor says. Trust the words written on the warranty. Since they specifically wrote in the warranty they didn't cover battery degradation, then you can expect that to happen.mwalsh said:Our risk assessment was based on Nisssn assertions.
DanCar said:Never trust what a vendor says. Trust the words written on the warranty. Since they specifically said they didn't cover battery degradation, then you can expect that to happen.mwalsh said:Our risk assessment was based on Nisssn assertions.
That's why I opted out of the class action settlement. I expect there may need to be a second class action lawsuit (for those who purchased). I believed the vendor as an established car company and expect that they will make things right (though may have to be pushed, of course). If I get 6 years out of my Leaf when Nissan promised an average of 10, another option would be to go to small claims court requesting 4 years worth of battery (40% of say $10,000 = $4,000). While I might not win, the publicity wouldn't be good for Nissan. :twisted:DanCar said:I call research and it risk assessment. Li-ion batteries have been known to degrade quickly.
Yep. If Nissan is smart, they will pro-rate battery replacements. Of course, it will help if they have a secondary application for the batteries.Stoaty said:That's why I opted out of the class action settlement. I expect there may need to be a second class action lawsuit (for those who purchased). I believed the vendor as an established car company and expect that they will make things right (though may have to be pushed, of course). If I get 6 years out of my Leaf when Nissan promised an average of 10, another option would be to go to small claims court requesting 4 years worth of battery (40% of say $10,000 = $4,000). While I might not win, the publicity wouldn't be good for Nissan. :twisted:DanCar said:I call research and it risk assessment. Li-ion batteries have been known to degrade quickly.
Yeah, it looks like I'll be pretty close despite being careful with the battery. Shouldn't be hard to speed up capacity loss by charging to 100% instead of 80%, quick charging more, parking in the sun, driving more aggressively, etc. Of course, the quick charging part may have to be done regardless to maintain usefulness of the car.Stoaty said:If the capacity loss doesn't slow down I may end up qualifying for the warranty after all.
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