Confused. 30 kWh Leafs didn't arrive until model year '16 with the SV and SL trim. Then, near the end of '16 model year, we got the '16 "S 30": https://www.greencarreports.com/news/1106593_nissan-leaf-s-quietly-gets-30-kwh-battery-upgrade-higher-price. For most of '16 model year, S was 24 kWh, like all the ones that came before it.tesleaf said:I bought a used 2015.
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Drive my 30 kwh leaf
cwerdna said:Confused. 30 kWh Leafs didn't arrive until model year '16 with the SV and SL trim. Then, near the end of '16 model year, we got the '16 "S 30": https://www.greencarreports.com/news/1106593_nissan-leaf-s-quietly-gets-30-kwh-battery-upgrade-higher-price. For most of '16 model year, S was 24 kWh, like all the ones that came before it.tesleaf said:I bought a used 2015.
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Drive my 30 kwh leaf
And, your sig currently says you have "2015 Leaf S w/ QC".
alozzy said:They continue to design and manufacture battery packs with short term (less than 10 year) planned obsolescence as a desirable "feature". Not impressed...
If nissan makes sure their salespersons are more knowledgeable about ev's and market their car better so that they sell more, then there should be an active aftermarket battery supplier. however, sales are dismal compared to tesla model 3. my saleslady didn't know anything about the car. in contrast, when i bought the tesla, the salesman knew everything about the car and was very enthusiastic. nissan leaf's marketing sucks.
And, unfortunately, in the US, due to state franchise laws all over the place, in many places, automakers can't own dealerships (Google for tesla franchise laws).alozzy said:If nissan makes sure their salespersons are more knowledgeable about ev's and market their car better so that they sell more, then there should be an active aftermarket battery supplier. however, sales are dismal compared to tesla model 3. my saleslady didn't know anything about the car. in contrast, when i bought the tesla, the salesman knew everything about the car and was very enthusiastic. nissan leaf's marketing sucks.
The dirty, unfortunate truth is that the traditional car manufacturers don't want to sell EVs. Until that changes, the dealership sales people will continue to be clueless
The dirty, unfortunate truth is that the traditional car manufacturers don't want to sell EVs. Until that changes, the dealership sales people will continue to be clueless
Why would any sane dealer cannibalize ICE sales for BEV sales?
Not that I question anything else you say, but I don't think that making an effort to sell a BEV to someone specifically looking for one cannibalizes ICE sales. I'm not sure if many people are on the fence between those two choices. Someone less impatient than I would have walked away from the relative ignorance and indifference of the dealership. That would be ZERO sales.
Negative? Hmm... sorry the board might seem that way to you. I dunno.NoReleaf said:I'm not sure what to make of Nissan the company. The reviews here tend to be negative. I sure like the Leaf, but I am apprehensive about how fully Nissan stands behind it. The fact that I am "only" leasing doesn't make me less apprehensive. But if the lease arrangement gives me the option of going to another dealership with any questions and concerns I might have, I like that part.
Hmmm... well, it seems Nissan probably threw the dealer service depts a bone with the stupid way too often brake fluid change intervals and the annual "required" battery check/report. Perhaps in-cabin air filters are another bone. Long ago, cars (at least non-luxury ones) didn't have cabin air filters. My 02 Maxima had two but I'm 90% sure my 04 350Z didn't have any.johnlocke said:Most dealers aren't interested in selling BEV's because most of their profit comes from after-sales support. Those service bays are there for a reason. Some dealers make 80% of their profits from the service department. BEV's just don't have many service items or maintenance requirements. There's no oil filter, air filter, gas filter or belts to replace. No spark plugs, ignition coils or associated wiring either. No pollution controls to test or repair or exhaust systems either.
The Dealer trains the salesmen. If he doesn't spend any time or effort on educating the salesman about BEV's then the salesman is far more likely to steer the customer to an ICE and disparage the BEV. If you want to buy a BEV, you have to be persistent about it. A lot of potential Leaf sales become Versa or Sentra sales instead or get upsold into an Altima. No need to worry about charging stations or range anxiety with a ICE. No dangerous high voltage or battery fires either. It's a lot easier for the salesman to maneuver a customer than you think. If you walk in specifically to buy a Leaf, you can do that. If you just want to find out about the Leaf, the salesman will redirect you almost every time. His job is to sell you a car that day, not to educate you. He'll try and sell you something you're familiar with because he needs that sale today and he knows that he has only one chance to do it.NoReleaf said:The dirty, unfortunate truth is that the traditional car manufacturers don't want to sell EVs. Until that changes, the dealership sales people will continue to be clueless
That is something of a match for my brief experience. I'm not sure if it applies to all Nissan dealerships. I was getting callbacks from some of them for weeks after I'd already leased where I did, but the one I picked was definitely not the best choice.
My recent car acquisition was a relatively quick decision, mostly because it had to be. It came down to deciding between a 2018 Leaf and a 2018 Volt. In spite of my experience with the Nissan dealership, which was most definitely not very interested in selling the Leaf to anyone as far as I could tell, everything turned on the test drives. Although the Chevy dealer had shown knowledge of and enthusiasm for the Volt, and had even offered to let me take the Volt for the test, keep it overnight, and return it the next day (which I was looking forward to), I test drove the Leaf first, and was allowed to drive it home and back and get to see how the plug-in thing would actually work at my house. First time in an EV, totally comfortable. Liked it a lot. Salesman accompanying me was hardly knowledgable, but at least he was friendly. Then the test drive of the Volt turned out to be different than expected. Salesman was harried now, seemed annoyed, and the drive was shorter on more congested roads. Tested the plug-in thing at home with the Volt, too, fine, but I didn't like the way the car felt. I would have preferred a longer test drive on some open roads to make a more balanced decision, but there was no time to hem and haw.
I'm not sure what to make of Nissan the company. The reviews here tend to be negative. I sure like the Leaf, but I am apprehensive about how fully Nissan stands behind it. The fact that I am "only" leasing doesn't make me less apprehensive. But if the lease arrangement gives me the option of going to another dealership with any questions and concerns I might have, I like that part.
Why would any sane dealer cannibalize ICE sales for BEV sales?
Not that I question anything else you say, but I don't think that making an effort to sell a BEV to someone specifically looking for one cannibalizes ICE sales. I'm not sure if many people are on the fence between those two choices. Someone less impatient than I would have walked away from the relative ignorance and indifference of the dealership. That would be ZERO sales.
I don't think I would say that about the board as a whole, but there are some truly virulent Leaf critics who post here regularly. Personally, I have owned and driven a Leaf for about 6 years now (I'm on my 2nd). I am satisfied with the car, and have no criticisms about the support I have received from my dealer. It seems to me that many of the criticisms I read here of the Leaf come from those who start out with some misunderstandings about the capabilities and longevity of the vehicle. Like any other vehicle (or any device), your needs/expectations and the capabilities of the vehicle have to be a match for one another.cwerdna said:Negative? Hmm... sorry the board might seem that way to you. I dunno.NoReleaf said:I'm not sure what to make of Nissan the company. The reviews here tend to be negative. I sure like the Leaf, but I am apprehensive about how fully Nissan stands behind it. The fact that I am "only" leasing doesn't make me less apprehensive. But if the lease arrangement gives me the option of going to another dealership with any questions and concerns I might have, I like that part.
Negative? Hmm... sorry the board might seem that way to you. I dunno.
I love Nissan.. I am a loyal Nissan customer
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