Stoaty
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Bad for the customers in the short term, but could be a golden opportunity for the Leaf and the Volt. Hope they take advantage of it with advertising and aggressive promotion.
Stoaty said:Bad for the customers in the short term, but could be a golden opportunity for the Leaf and the Volt. Hope they take advantage of it with advertising and aggressive promotion.
A much simpler solution would be to relax the formulation requirements when there are extraordinary situations like this one so other blends of gasoline can be shipped in easily.Nubo said:The CA market is an island due to the formulation requirements driven by smog issues. One or two disruptions happening while other refineries are switching from summer to winter production, and you get a squeeze.
I've been thinking some kind of strategic gasoline reserve might be warranted for the state for these situations. Though you can't store gasoline nearly as long as petroleum...
Do you have a source? The article I scanned expected prices to spike this weekend and then ease next week, though I fully expect any decline to be gradual - gas prices always seem quick to rise and slow to fall...Nubo said:They expect the price to keep going up for additional weeks.
Similar situation in Chicagoland (Chicago and surrounding suburbs)drees said:A much simpler solution would be to relax the formulation requirements when there are extraordinary situations like this one so other blends of gasoline can be shipped in easily.Nubo said:The CA market is an island due to the formulation requirements driven by smog issues. One or two disruptions happening while other refineries are switching from summer to winter production, and you get a squeeze.
I've been thinking some kind of strategic gasoline reserve might be warranted for the state for these situations. Though you can't store gasoline nearly as long as petroleum...
In 2001, John Cook, then the head of the petroleum division of the Department of Energy, called Chicago/Milwaukee an "island," along with California; you may recall that, over the years, Chicago often competes with different California cities for some of the nation's highest gas prices:
The result of this targeted approach to air quality has been to create gasoline market islands. The primary examples are California and the Chicago/Milwaukee areas, in which the required gasolines are unique, and only a limited number of refineries make the products. The inventories of gasoline used in these regions can be drawn down rapidly in response to unusually high demand or a supply problem at one of the few refineries producing the specialized products, or in one of the pipelines delivering the products. Prices for gasoline in these regions then surge. If other gasoline markets are not tight, the prices surges may be limited to the specialized gasoline regions, as we have seen historically in the case of California.
Virtually all of the Chicagoland area is a reformulated gas area .
drees said:Do you have a source? The article I scanned expected prices to spike this weekend and then ease next week, though I fully expect any decline to be gradual - gas prices always seem quick to rise and slow to fall...Nubo said:They expect the price to keep going up for additional weeks.
http://abclocal.go.com/kgo/story?section=news/state&id=8836701" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;...And unfortunately relief is not in sight for the immediate future. In the Bay Area, we've already seen some prices top $5 per gallon and some analysts predict it may top $6 before this current surge is over.
Perhaps it's the interpretation of "relief is not in sight for the immediate future." That, too, could mean no relief (over the weekend and through early next week) is in sight for the immediate future (the next week or so). The reports that I read, if they are to believed, said there should be an ease in prices by next week. Does that mean back to 'normal' prices before the spike, or simply the beginning of the drop to 'normal'? I don't know.Nubo said:Here's what I could find just now on their web site:
http://abclocal.go.com/kgo/story?section=news/state&id=8836701" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;...And unfortunately relief is not in sight for the immediate future. In the Bay Area, we've already seen some prices top $5 per gallon and some analysts predict it may top $6 before this current surge is over.
DaveinOlyWA said:...this gas thing? why is there so much loyalty?
"We have a lot of everything right now," said Diana Aguinaga, a dental hygienist who was volunteering at the donation hub, a joint effort of 350.org and Occupy Wall Street. "What we really need is a car with gas." Outside the church, there were about 15 parked drivers loading and unloading supplies, though not all of them had enough gas in their tank to go as far as was needed.
All over New York City, the story was the same. Thursday, a deadly cocktail of mass power outages, port closures and skyrocketing demand for fuel shut down gas stations across New York and New Jersey, spurring mile-long lines and fights at the few pumps that remained open.
Now, the shortage is crippling aid organizations spearheading relief in devastated areas. While some national organizations like the Red Cross have managed to secure fuel, many local charities are using vehicles running on empty. Without gas, basic necessities like flashlights, clothing, food and water can't make it to people whose entire lives were wiped out by the storm.
On Friday, President Barack Obama ordered the Department of Defense to send trucks carrying 12 million gallons of gas and 12 million gallons of diesel to help supply gas stations in the region.
GRA said:FWIW, my corner gas station has dropped from the peak of $4.66 about 3 weeks ago to $3.96 as of yesterday, or $0.70/gal for regular, IIRR $0.13/gal. less than it was before the spike. I can't ever recall prices dropping that fast before after a spike, but suspect the difference was allowing the switch to winter fuel early.
GRA said:FWIW, my corner gas station has dropped from the peak of $4.66 about 3 weeks ago to $3.96 as of yesterday, or $0.70/gal for regular, IIRR $0.13/gal. less than it was before the spike. I can't ever recall prices dropping that fast before after a spike, but suspect the difference was allowing the switch to winter fuel early.
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