smkettner
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Looks like just four seats to me.
...The all-electric Bolt boasts a groundbreaking combination of low price and long driving range. It will sell in the low $30,000s, after government incentives, and travel up to 200 miles on a battery charge, Mark Reuss, GM's executive vice president for global product development, said in an interview with The Times.
"The Bolt breaks the barrier on range anxiety," Reuss said...
edatoakrun said:How is GM expecting to be able to sell 2017 Volts, with only ~50 mile Electric range, at ~the same price as ~200 mile range 2017 Bolt BEVs?
GetOffYourGas said:edatoakrun said:How is GM expecting to be able to sell 2017 Volts, with only ~50 mile Electric range, at ~the same price as ~200 mile range 2017 Bolt BEVs?
The Volt will sell better than the Bolt in any market which lacks QC infrastructure. And today that's most of them...
pkulak said:If it's out end of 2017, then it's not even worth discussing at this point. That is a lifetime away in EV terms. Leaf 2.0 will be out by then, along with, most likely, the model III and probably at least a few more long-range EVs from other manufacturers (Kia or Hyundia, I'm thinking).
Can't disagree more. Once you factor in cold weather and some battery aging, an 80 mile range drops to 50-60'ish. Throw in the current chaotic and fractured charging networks and many folks really would be happy to pay another 10-20% for 50-100% more range. 80 miles is a economical sweet spot, but a psychological loser.edatoakrun said:I just don't think many BEV buyers who do have access to DC chargers will want to haul around an extra ~500 pounds and ~ $5,000 worth of (constantly depreciating and degrading) batteries every day, just so they can drive slightly longer before refueling, on the few days a year they drive more than 100-150 miles.
I have 10kW OBC and 30 amp EVSE at home and quite happy with the set up. In the wild it is hard to find more than 30 amps so the 10kW has never been used at full throttle.nedfunnell said:I wonder if it will have an (optional?) high-power charger. A 40kwh (guessing) car would take about seven hours to fill up with a 6.6kW charger, which takes ~30A input. I wonder if a 10kW charger would be available, as I think it'd significantly improve the utility of the car. That might make all the folks with 30A EVSEs at home sad, though. No difference in overnight charging, though.
Moof said:Can't disagree more... many folks really would be happy to pay another 10-20% for 50-100% more range...edatoakrun said:I just don't think many BEV buyers who do have access to DC chargers will want to haul around an extra ~500 pounds and ~ $5,000 worth of (constantly depreciating and degrading) batteries every day, just so they can drive slightly longer before refueling, on the few days a year they drive more than 100-150 miles.
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...You can make economic arguments, but just look at the number of single passenger SUV's and light trucks out there, economics wither compared to aspirational buying.
Moof said:Can't disagree more. Once you factor in cold weather and some battery aging, an 80 mile range drops to 50-60'ish. Throw in the current chaotic and fractured charging networks and many folks really would be happy to pay another 10-20% for 50-100% more range. 80 miles is a economical sweet spot, but a psychological loser.
There is a lot of rumbling that batteries are not just getting doubled up, but that the batteries are getting both cheaper per kWh and more energy dense. If we read the crystal ball for the next few years out, the question might be to either double the capacity for the same weight, or lower the weight/price for the same range we have now. The Roadster 3.0 announcement is a decent example of what happens when you drop today's battery tech into yesterday's EV.edatoakrun said:Doubling the available battery capacity from ~25 to ~50 kWh (which is ~ the minimum required for 200 mile EPA range) does not double the range, since efficiency declines with not only the increased weight of the battery, but due to the larger structural components and the larger tire contact area required by a heavier vehicle.
Car companies have managed to convince millions of people in fair weather cities that they need SUV's to get through the rugged city terrain to soccer practice. If people bought only what they needed we would have about 1% SUV's and maybe 2% light trucks being sold each year, and nobody would buy a muscle car (or a Tesla for that matter). Heck, most folks trade up to a newer better car years before their old one is really is past its utility or economical optimum. Aspirational buying is a huge force that is very prevalent in the car market, to ignore it is to ignore reality.edatoakrun said:Why Wouldn't every BEV manufacturer want to convince every buyer they want a ~ $40k 200 mile range 50 kWh battery (or even larger!) BEV, rather than the more efficient and less expensive BEV with the lower kWh battery pack, that most people actually need?
It's a concept car. They build it to gauge the public's reaction and decide if it's a direction that they want to go with new models.evnow said:I've to say this is a strange introduction.
The car is 2 years away. You can' reserve it. You don't have to drum up sales for such a car (with the limited numbers GM will probably produce in the beginning, anyway).
So, why introduce it now ?
Exactly. If/when it goes into production, at what price, and with how much EPA range I will say it is a real car. Talk is cheap. We know Tesla has to produce the model 3 (eventually) to make full use of the giga factory, but GM doesn't have to produce the Bolt, and they might be late or change their mind for some reason.Turnover said:My take is that a concept car is a physical likeness of an idea.
This is very different from Volt 1.0.garsh said:It's a concept car. They build it to gauge the public's reaction and decide if it's a direction that they want to go with new models.
Remember when the volt was a concept car?
Chevy disagrees with you.evnow said:Compared to the risk of osborning Volt 2, what they can get from this reveal is very minimal.
I think the roll out of the Volt was a fiasco. They got a ton of buzz for the concept car, then over hyped it to the media at every turn as it went through development. Years before you could buy one they were getting reporters to take test drives in the mules and missing no opportunity to get it into the news.garsh said:It's a concept car. They build it to gauge the public's reaction and decide if it's a direction that they want to go with new models.
Remember when the volt was a concept car?
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