BP Horizon Deepwater Oil Disaster : Open Thread

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I hope the rest of these folks have done their homework...

http://money.cnn.com/news/storysupplement/big_oil/
http://money.cnn.com/2010/06/11/news/companies/BP_deepwater_drilling/index.htm

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Is that just in GOM ?

Notice how most of the producing wells are in shallower waters and the drilling is mostly in deeper waters. Peak Oil works in mysterious ways :lol:

BTW, this is a must see site.

http://apologizetobp.com/

Dear BP, I am not even American. I am writing to you from New Zealand. You remember us? We’re the country that you Brits screwed when you joined the EEC. Anyway, we’re sorry we didn’t apologise then for obviously not being good enough for you. But now, we feel we must apologise for the terrible way that we, as a tiny country of 4m in the South Pacific Ocean didn’t have the foresight to tell those Americans to move their stupid Gulf Coast out of the damned way of the wonderful progress that you have been making on behalf of all right thinking people everywhere. What the hell are they complaining about? Now they can just go to the beach to get their oil. Seems like a good deal to me. Truly guys, I am sorry and if I could give Tony his life back, I sure would.
 
I am dismayed at how the news coverage and public opinion seem so concerned about whether Tony Hayward (target of left wingers and "small people") or President Obama (target of right wingers and Tea Partyers) are sufficiently sorry or outraged or whether they "care" enough about the people (or pelicans or sea slugs) who are affected by the spill. Neither of them had anything to do with why it happened or how to fix it. Obviously it was a series of bad judgments and shortcuts made by a lot of different people involved in the drilling operation, including BP operations people and the drilling rig operators and probably some other corporate blue and white collar types many rungs below either of those guys. Maybe the MMS guys, too in the permitting. The morons who insist that Obama needs to "get tough" and demand that BP fix it, or has failed to do so might as well insist that he demand the hurricanes don't come this season and that the earth begin rotating the opposite direction. "Demanding" is useless. Hayward is right that BP and everyone in it already has every incentive they need to get it capped. They want their lives back and they know darn well their stock options and probably jobs are on the line as are their reputations among their peers and family members for being competent and socially responsible. I don't care how Tony feels or whether he goes yachting nor should anyone else. BP and its engineers are in the best position, with the expertise (such as it is) and equipment to get the leak stopped. The real problem was expressed well by someone early on in this thread. No one has the technology or knowhow to control a leak this deep under such pressure. Period. Let BP fix it and clean up as best they can and maybe at that stage bring in others to do the cleaning, or help anyway. Then make BP and the drilling co., etc. pay for everything. Personally I think the environmental damage will be less than everyone is predicting. If Bikini Atoll can be teeming with life now, as it was within a year after the A-bomb tests, and Prince William Sound ended up having more damage caused by the beach cleanup efforts than by the Exxon Valdez oil itself, the Gulf wildlife will recover. The fishermen, maybe not in the near term.

Ultimately, though, the real culprit isn't any of these people. It is the American & world public. We want cheap and convenient personal transportation - cars, trucks, SUVs, motorboats, RVs - so badly we continue to demand gasoline at whatever cost to the environment. We want to live in a suburb in a single family home instead of in an apartment at a transit hub in the inner city near our office, or within walking distance of our employer. Or we're too fat and lazy to ride a bike. And so on. Here's an idea - let's all buy an electric car instead!
 
Rat - I can't disagree with much of what you've written. There's zero that anyone can do to put the oil back into the ground at this point. The poor decisions that were made before the explosion - and for the culture at BP that allowed them to countermand input from drilling partners - do fall on BP's leaders.

MMS appears to have been a mess - and it's clear that, for whatever reason, the US Government didn't learn from other spills.

That being said, the demanding is very good good, but misplaced. The public needs to care enough to keep MMS on track, fire politicians that are working for business at their (the "little people's") expense, push-back against the industry lobbyists that are working 24/7 to push the EPA out of the way, shave safety requirements as thinly as possible, and force their leaders to balance their budgets and build a diversified cash flow stream so they're not so desperate for cash that they'd sell their souls to the devil of the day.

Please don't pull atomic tests into this, though, or suggest that everything's fine in Prince William sound. The Sound still isn't back to where it was before the tanker ran aground. And the Marshal Islanders still cannot return to Bikini Atoll because they cannot eat the food grown on or around the island. "Permanent resettlement of Bikini Island under the present radiological conditions without remedial measures is not recommended in view of the radiation doses that could potentially be received by inhabitants with a diet of entirely locally produced foodstuffs." http://www.bikiniatoll.com/

Andy
 
Rat said:
Neither of them had anything to do with why it happened or how to fix it.

Can't agree with that. They have everything to do with why it happened and how to get it fixed / cleaned.

CEO of a company sets the tone on safety. The incenstive system in place will determine whether the managers on the ground will pay enough attention to safety instead of just getting the project done on time & budget. They had already had safety issues in the past and yet Tony didn't set things right.

Obama ofcourse shares the blame with Bush. MMS has been a mess - with the industry supplying drugs & prostitutes and getting lax regulation in return. Ofcourse ideologically Bush wanted less & less regulation - and his government gutted the regulatory environment in every possible area - MMS, EPA, Finance etc etc. We have seen a lot of the effects.

Obama after taking office hasn't reversed the course soon enough. He has almost nothing to show for when it comes to MMS or financial regulation.
 
It is probably much more difficult to "loot" any given industry if it is closely, and well regulated. So, it would seem to me that part of planning such a "looting" would include planning to reduce any effective regulation.
 
They put it back (4:30 PST or so).

http://www.deepwaterbp.com/

http://www.bp.com/genericarticle.do?categoryId=2012968&contentId=7063083

NEW ORLEANS -- This morning at approximately 8:45 a.m. CDT, a discharge of liquids was observed from a diverter valve on the drill ship Discoverer Enterprise, which is on station at the MC252 well-site. As a precautionary measure, the lower marine riser package (LMRP) containment cap system, attached to the Discover Enterprise, has been moved off the Deepwater Horizon's failed blow-out preventer to ensure the safety of operations and allow the unexpected release of liquids to be analyzed.

ps : I've watched the ROVs more than soccer world cup :oops:
 
I read that "A robotic submarine bumped into the containment cap atop the gushing well, forcing BP to remove the cap as a safety precaution." (here and other sources). This is just the latest and greatest accident from those incompetent klutzes operating the ROVs. Earlier they never could quite hang on to the rubber washers, they lost several of them to the ocean floor. And positioning the cap took many tedious hours.
 
johnr said:
I read that "A robotic submarine bumped into the containment cap atop the gushing well, forcing BP to remove the cap as a safety precaution." (here and other sources).

Yes that was what was reported earlier because Coast Guard Admiral Thad Allen said so.

This is just the latest and greatest accident from those incompetent klutzes operating the ROVs. Earlier they never could quite hang on to the rubber washers, they lost several of them to the ocean floor. And positioning the cap took many tedious hours.

Thats the state of the art. I believe the ones operating are the best (they are specialists, not BP employees).
 
Kent Wells' latest video update about the progress of the relief well ...

http://bp.concerts.com/gom/kwellsreliefwells062710.htm

The man drilling this well has completed 40 relief wells in his career and all 40 were successful.

(http://www.theoildrum.com/node/6672#comment-663779)
 
thats a great video summary, evnow. actually gives us some confidence they'll be able to stop it... 40 wells, and worked each time... they appear to have the right man on the job.
 
evnow said:
Kent Wells' latest video update about the progress of the relief well ...
If BP had put a fraction of the effort into making sure the Macondo well was safe before it blew out, we wouldn't be in this mess...
 
drees said:
If BP had put a fraction of the effort into making sure the Macondo well was safe before it blew out, we wouldn't be in this mess...

I don't think we really know that. There was an article the other day (sorry don't have a link) talking about well casing actually doubled up inside the BOP. Something happened with this well that is not understood, another possibility raised is that the pressure in this deposit was so great the drilling fluids couldn't overcome the gas. Let's let the investigations play out so some productive changes can be made in procedures.

This ongoing vilification of BP serves no purpose. We all use oil, and consistently go across the street to buy gas if it's two cents cheaper. When we look to assign blame, let's start by looking in the mirror.
 
LTLFTcomposite said:
This ongoing vilification of BP serves no purpose. We all use oil, and consistently go across the street to buy gas if it's two cents cheaper. When we look to assign blame, let's start by looking in the mirror.

You are very right that we have ourselves to blame. But BP deserves all the vilification AND MORE. Even freaking Haliburton, who as a corporation is evil personified, was advising more caution with the well than BP observed. And why didn't they observe more caution - to save money and time. It's that old chestnut about maximizing profits above ALL else. No, BP executives should consider themselves lucky the masses haven't dragged them out to the streets and left them hanging from lamposts.
 
In the olden days, before lamp-posts, when wood was still available, sharpened poles were used, I believe.

<on rant>
None of this free room and board, medical care and exercise, socializing and education, library, etc. for life, costing taxpayers many millions each year. What a waste of money.

Of course, Justice should not be "blind", lawyers (if they speak) should be required to speak the truth, and the "police" should not be allowed to "manufacture" (or ignore) any evidence.

I say, third strike (this is the modest proposal, the less moderate proposal is 2nd strike) and you are used as an organ donor.
<off box>
 
LTLFTcomposite said:
I don't think we really know that. There was an article the other day (sorry don't have a link) talking about well casing actually doubled up inside the BOP. Something happened with this well that is not understood, another possibility raised is that the pressure in this deposit was so great the drilling fluids couldn't overcome the gas. Let's let the investigations play out so some productive changes can be made in procedures.

Without the link I can't comment. Except to say that, that explanation makes no sense. Afterall the well was almost finished and the blow out happenned when they removed the mud without making sure the cement was cured. All they had to do was watch for mud return. Yes, this is a wild well and probably couldn't have been produced ... but the blow out was easily preventable.

This ongoing vilification of BP serves no purpose. We all use oil, and consistently go across the street to buy gas if it's two cents cheaper. When we look to assign blame, let's start by looking in the mirror.

Yes to an extent - but we should also remember if the Pizza delivery guy runs over someone, it is not our fault. But I do think this could have happenned to any oil company, not just BP. Ultimately if we drill in difficult locations, we will have some problem like this once in a while.
 
LTLFTcomposite said:
drees said:
If BP had put a fraction of the effort into making sure the Macondo well was safe before it blew out, we wouldn't be in this mess...
I don't think we really know that. There was an article the other day (sorry don't have a link) talking about well casing actually doubled up inside the BOP. Something happened with this well that is not understood, another possibility raised is that the pressure in this deposit was so great the drilling fluids couldn't overcome the gas. Let's let the investigations play out so some productive changes can be made in procedures.
Investigations have already shown that BP took multiple short-cuts against the advice of engineers they hired in the interest of saving time and money.

LTLFTcomposite said:
This ongoing vilification of BP serves no purpose. We all use oil, and consistently go across the street to buy gas if it's two cents cheaper. When we look to assign blame, let's start by looking in the mirror.
Which is why I constantly look for ways to conserve energy and reduce fossil fuel consumption - have lower than average electricity/water bills, bought a Prius to replace an old car, am planning on buying a Leaf to replace our other gas guzzler, have solar panels on the roof of my house which should offset nearly all of our electricity usage (until the Leaf comes, anyway), recycle, compost, use reusable bags, etc.
 
I think BP's safety record clearly demonstrates their commitment to safety above all else, not to mention the $0 they invested in clean up technology as a result of there being "no other large oil spills" Sure, that would all be true if it were all not totally false but who's checking.
 
http://www.marketwatch.com/story/bp-has-options-before-bankruptcy-lawyers-say-2010-06-29
BP PLC has several options to explore in dealing with the worst environment disaster in U.S. history, but the oil giant may file for bankruptcy if it faces a never-ending flow of claims, lawyers and bankers said Tuesday.
"Just because BP can afford to pay all claims, that doesn't mean it will or should," Kaufman said during the conference call organized by the American Bankruptcy Institute. "As investment-banking adviser to BP, I would be working on a plan to help them minimize how much they pay. "My advice to the board would be to delay, delay, delay," he added.
 
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