DaveinOlyWA
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we are still talking about weight? Seriously... Told you its THE WHEELS!!
jdcbomb said:If it really was the wheel sizes / aero differences, then I wonder why we didn't see differences between the non-plus S, SV, SL trims?
DaveinOlyWA said:we are still talking about weight? Seriously... Told you its THE WHEELS!!
BrockWI said:I think the existing SV & SL are about the same weight as the S tire setup aren't they or at least close. I thought the S was like 20 lbs and the SV & SL were 22? I could be way off. I wonder if the new SV & SL have some heavier wheel than the S? If it is the wheels that is "fixable"
DougWantsALeaf said:Are the tires a different brand? Maybe different rolling resistance.
LeftieBiker said:I wouldn't be shocked to learn that they kept the 147HP version of the Motor in the S. I'm not claiming that's the case, but I wouldn't discount the possibility.
cwerdna said:If you go to https://www3.nissan.co.jp/vehicles/new/leaf/specifications.html and select 40 vs 62 kWh, they say it's the EM57 motor for both.
'13 to '17 Leaf also had EM57: https://www.mynissanleaf.com/viewtopic.php?t=25267.
Kieran973 said:Sorry if this has been answered elsewhere, but has Nissan announced how many Leaf Pluses they plan to produce for the US market? I'm a little surprised to see that there is only one Leaf Plus in my area (just north of New York City), whereas the local volume Leaf dealer just received 13 new 40 kWh Leafs. So will the Leaf Plus be produced at roughly the same volume as the Leaf, or will it be constrained?
LeftieBiker said:They bumped up the power output with inverter modifications (much more power available, albeit for a limited burst) and leaving the S with the 40kwh mod instead of the 62kwh mod would likely provide the extra range.
TexasLeaf said:Kieran973 said:Sorry if this has been answered elsewhere, but has Nissan announced how many Leaf Pluses they plan to produce for the US market? I'm a little surprised to see that there is only one Leaf Plus in my area (just north of New York City), whereas the local volume Leaf dealer just received 13 new 40 kWh Leafs. So will the Leaf Plus be produced at roughly the same volume as the Leaf, or will it be constrained?
The Plus has only been on AutoTrader for a couple of weeks and I’m already counting over 125 and the number keeps going up every day. Some of the Plus models are already getting discounted. Also the distribution seems to be spread out all over the country, not just in CARB states.
I would not be surprised to see Nissan go all in on the Plus within a year. The Plus is in a unique market position right now and it could easily compete with any of the lower cost 200+ BEVs on the market. I think Nissan knows this and will try to explot its’ position by making the Leaf Plus widely available.
LeftieBiker said:Electric motors can produce more power just by getting more power sent to them - in this case from the inverter.
LeftieBiker said:And IC engines can also produce more power from cycling more fuel/air mixture efficiently per revolution. No size increase needed.
LeftieBiker said:A bigger pack would be needed for a racing application with large, continuous power demands. It isn't needed for for half a minute of increased power to the motor, as long as the pack's maximum discharge rate isn't exceeded.
The controller (inverter) can't create energy, and the motor is not typically way over-designed to significantly increase its power
output with just a controller redesign. As I mentioned, the controller's firmware may limit some max power output, but little
can be gained without the battery being capable of supplying the necessary peak energy input - peak current continuously.
New powertrain
The outgoing Leaf might have sold well, but there's no escaping the fact that, by 2017's standards, it was outdated technology. The electric motor has been carried over, but there's a new inverter, among other improvements. Power output is boosted from 80kW (107hp) to 110kW (147hp), and it's more torquey—320Nm (236ft-lbs) in the 2018 versus 254Nm (187ft-lbs) in the old model.[/i][/b]
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