I assume all the 3.3 KW chargers are so common because of 20 amp breakers being so common.
20 amp 240 volt breakers aren't especially common in the US. 30 amp seems to be the most common size.
I assume all the 3.3 KW chargers are so common because of 20 amp breakers being so common.
evnow said:I should add - Mitsui outlander phev will handily outsell volt. Not having a SUV volte is criminal of GM.
TomT said:Maybe for some... I have no need, use, or interest in a SUV to replace the Leaf... And I'm not a big Mitsui fan...
evnow said:I should add - Mitsui outlander phev will handily outsell volt. Not having a SUV volte is criminal of GM.
edatoakrun said:Not criminal, but irresponsible, IMO, of GM to not even allow a DC Charge port option for the Volt gen 2.
pkulak said:edatoakrun said:Not criminal, but irresponsible, IMO, of GM to not even allow a DC Charge port option for the Volt gen 2.
Yeah... because I want to spend my time waiting for a Volt to give up the CHAdeMO port (I know, GM would use SAE) when they could have just not stopped in the first place and spent less money using one gallon of gas from their tank.
edatoakrun said:The more vehicles that are DC capable, the more reliable the DC infrastructure will become.
Which is probably GM's primary motivation in denying to Volt buyers DC charge capability, to extend the obsolescence phase of the Volt concept.
As to relative cost and availability of gasoline compared to DC, I expect quite a few of these gen 2 Volts will find DC is much cheaper than gasoline fairly soon (and very soon, for example, during grid off-peak hours in the PNW) but some will still be running long enough for their drivers to experience that DC is more readily available as well.
How long do you think the (very expensive to build and operate) gasoline infrastructure will last, once people stop buying the ICEVs required to support it?
LTLFTcomposite said:http://www.hybridcars.com/2016-volt-to-have-12-percent-greater-overall-range/
If true, that's less than thrilling. Now the focus turns to cost/pricing.
mwalsh said:LTLFTcomposite said:http://www.hybridcars.com/2016-volt-to-have-12-percent-greater-overall-range/
If true, that's less than thrilling. Now the focus turns to cost/pricing.
Yeah. I think the writing was on the wall after seeing it was going to have 3.6kW charging vs. 3.3kW charging, but with the same charge time as the current Volt (4 hours). That would really only equate to about 4-5 miles extra EV range. Sigh.
essaunders said:That's one more reason to support the outlander PHEV (which includes CHAEMO) over a volt..
If they are doing such a thorough redesign, what were the goals ? A 12% better range ?“I can’t think of a powertrain we’ve re-engineered more extensively within a five-year period than this one,” said Nitz to SAE International.
I believe the 12% 'range improvement' quote is wrong. Here's what cleantechnica had to say, which IMO makes far more sense:evnow said:If they are doing such a thorough redesign, what were the goals ? A 12% better range ?“I can’t think of a powertrain we’ve re-engineered more extensively within a five-year period than this one,” said Nitz to SAE International.
A 10% or 20% better something might be okay for an ICE with complete redesign. But for a V2 product it is not that good - esp. given the range on several V2 EVs may be almost 100% more.
http://cleantechnica.com/2014/10/30/gm-reveals-2016-chevy-volt-drivetrain-improvements/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;Among the improvements is a lighter battery with more storage capacity, the result of a joint effort between supplier LG Chem and GM, which share a once-controversial battery factory. GM claims efficiency improvements shaved 30 pounds off the weight of the battery pack, while increasing storage capacity by about 20%. While the company isn’t talking range estimates yet, 20% more battery capacity should translate to at least 20% more range, which would give the Volt over 40 miles of electric driving per charge. GM quotes the fact that about 15% of current Volt drivers regularly achieve more than 40 miles of electric range as well, perhaps as a wink-wink/nudge-nudge towards what to expect.
Also on tap for the 2016 Chevy Volt is a new two-motor drive unit that is 100 pounds lighter than the current unit, and as much as 12% more efficient. The system can also use both motors to propel the vehicle on electricity alone, improving acceleration under battery power by 20%. The Volt currently takes about 8.7 seconds to go from 0 to 60 MPH, and if GM gets it under 8 seconds, that’d be a mighty improvement in terms of driving enjoyment.
Also new for 2016 is a 1.5 liter engine, which adds more power yet supposedly sips less fuel, which could also boost the Volt’s fuel economy above 40 MPG (it currently sits at 37 combined).
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