AlexDarcy
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Re: Why would anyone buy a nissan leaf right now???

Reliability
Tesla Model 3 is a beautiful car, and I'm sure I would have been happy to get it, but overall reliability was one of the main reasons I chose to get a Leaf instead. Here are the Consumer Reports and JD Powers articles that influenced my decision:

"Consumer Reports Still Ranks Tesla Reliability 27th Out Of 28" (19.Nov.2021)
https://insideevs.com/news/549130/consu ... poor-2021/

"Unlike other manufacturers, Tesla doesn’t grant J.D. Power permission to survey its owners..." (18.Feb.2021)
Tesla was fourth in the bottom for dependability; only Jaguar, Alpha and Land Rover were worse.
https://www.jdpower.com/business/press- ... -study-vds

"Nissan LEAF Awarded In 2020 J.D. Power Vehicle Dependability Study" in the compact car category (15.Feb.2020)
https://insideevs.com/news/398848/nissa ... ity-study/

Distance to Dealership
While the Tesla is more sporty and stylish, those considerations kind of fade after a year, especially when you have to drive to a distant Tesla Service Center to fix a quality problem and wait in the lobby or at a hotel. My Nissan dealership is only 6 miles away if I need a repair, so I could take a Lyft/Uber back home if necessary. As an example, there are 49 Nissan dealerships in Pennsylvania, but only 3 for Tesla. Here is where you can check in your state to compare:
https://www.nissanusa.com/nissandealers/location/
https://www.tesla.com/findus/list/servi ... d%20States

Road Noise
Another big issue for me was road noise (I have tinnitus) and there are too many negative YouTube videos by the Tesla owners themselves about Model 3 road noise:
https://www.youtube.com/results?search_ ... wind+noise

Immediate Availability and Zero Interest Financing
I don't know what kind of financing Tesla offers, but I got zero percent interest from Nissan for 6 years and drove the Leaf off the lot that afternoon, no waiting 4-9 months. Taking into account the $7500 tax rebate, rising inflation (versus my fixed payments), the lower sticker price of the Leaf, the lower expected maintenance costs/hassles versus the Tesla, and my plan to invest the $10,000+ I'm not paying extra for the Tesla, then the Leaf was just too good overall. (I'm a fanboy of financial independence.)

Obsolete CHAdeMO
It's best to avoid any kind of rapid charging, so the CHAdeMO port is not a big deal. My utility company has a "Free Nights and Weekends" plan, which means that my electricity bill won't go up at all (the free weekends offset the higher weekday rates, leaving the nights for Leaf charging for free). Check with your utility company to see what plans are available to you. You don't need to buy a third-party EVSE for scheduling your at-night charging, that's built into the Leaf's dashboard already.

This forum helped me make a decision regarding Leaf vs. Tesla (thank you!) so that's why I'm posting the above, to help others like me who visit here who want to make an informed decision, whatever that decision might be. I can only relate my own thought processes. If you get a Tesla, great, enjoy it! I'm very happy with my Leaf.
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Re: Why would anyone buy a nissan leaf right now???

I'd like to make the above into a sticky, if it were combined into one post, but I suspect that there would be loud objections from the gallery if I did that... The next best thing would be for you to put it into a separate topic, with - and this is very important! - a title that is both descriptive and unique, to the extent possible, so that it is easily found with a site search.
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Re: Why would anyone buy a nissan leaf right now???

SageBrush wrote: Mon Dec 27, 2021 4:24 pm
gcrouse wrote: Mon Dec 27, 2021 4:11 pm The last two times i can recall being told that I wouldn't "get it" with a car was with someone and BMW and someone with a Jeep. In the past that phrase has generally been indicative of "brand as part of a lifestyle" thinking.
Before Tesla we owned a Subaru Impreza, Mitsubishi Mirage, Honda Civic, Toyota hybrids and plug-in and LEAF. Do I match your stereotype ? :lol:

I have ZERO interest in LUCID, and even less in BMW
In short, yes lol. You fit among the fanboy clubs - which is fine since you aren't toxic about it like some in the Tesla community.

BMW fanboys don't like when I point out that the Mercedes-Benz Taxi i rode in overseas seemed just as nice as their BMW and even more miffed i could find a Lincoln Town Car to be a fairly good experience. Jeep fanboys don't like that fact that an '00 Explorer for $2k can work just as well as some of the Wranglers people have.

You believe it's impossible for someone to understand Tesla's appeal if they don't personally drive it on a long trip. That's indicative of fanboy status or in some cases, "brand as a lifestyle." Your earlier comparison to the Mac and Windows computers is quite apt in the fact that often the Mac users would talk constantly about how great their computer was or iPhone. That's the same with a Tesla car. They get a lot more hype than the metrics really deserve, even though as a whole they are decent cars and I could consider one if they came down on price rather than constantly raising it.

You might have zero interest in Lucid and BMW - but those are the big competitors for the price point that Tesla has slid their cars into. The $35,990 Model 3 is not available so we are looking less at the Leaf and Bolt as competition there but Lucid and BMW for what Tesla wants to push off the lines.
AlexDarcy
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Re: Why would anyone buy a nissan leaf right now???

LeftieBiker wrote: Mon Dec 27, 2021 7:35 pm The next best thing would be for you to put it into a separate topic, with - and this is very important! - a title that is both descriptive and unique, to the extent possible, so that it is easily found with a site search.
Just posted, thanks.
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Re: Why would anyone buy a nissan leaf right now???

gcrouse wrote: Mon Dec 27, 2021 7:35 pm In short, yes
I see there is no confusing you with facts
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gcrouse
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Re: Why would anyone buy a nissan leaf right now???

SageBrush wrote: Tue Dec 28, 2021 1:59 am
gcrouse wrote: Mon Dec 27, 2021 7:35 pm In short, yes
I see there is no confusing you with facts
I go off of the preponderance of evidence.

It's great you love your Tesla, as life is too short to drive awful cars. (I'm looking at you '92 Geo Prizm).

Even better, despite your Tesla fanboy status - you aren't one of the toxic ones. You certainly have a right to dispute the characterization, and given we only know each other through text - there's a possibility I'm wrong, however the sum of your posts i read tend to evangelize Tesla and when you then start to condescend to people about what they do and don't get citing an intangible experience - well, that points to people who are turning their brand into part of their identity. As i said before there's nothing wrong with it - there's plenty of die hard Ford and Chevy folks who will never buy the other trucks.
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Re: Why would anyone buy a nissan leaf right now???

“…I go off of the preponderance of evidence….

… your Tesla fanboy status …

…there's nothing wrong with it - there's plenty of die hard Ford and Chevy folks who will never buy the other trucks.”

Hard to understand this argument. It reinforces his position. He lists the many vehicles from various manufacturers he has owned and makes no claim he will buy from no other manufacturer in the future.
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Re: Why would anyone buy a nissan leaf right now???

iPlug wrote: Tue Dec 28, 2021 9:20 am He lists the many vehicles from various manufacturers he has owned and makes no claim he will buy from no other manufacturer in the future.
True enough, although because my two top priorities are buying an outstanding EV with good value, and buying from an EV centric company, Tesla does not have competition for my dollars for now. Hyundai and some of the Chinese companies like BYD or Nio may be worthy competitors in the future.
2013 LEAF 'S' Model with QC & rear-view camera
Bought Jan 2017 from N. Cal
Two years in Colorado, now in NM
03/18: 58 Ahr @28k miles. 10/21: 53.4 Ahr @ 40k miles
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Re: Why would anyone buy a nissan leaf right now???

25 minutes after midnight, and just saw a new Nissan commercial featuring the Ariya and many segments with the Leaf.

I get the feeling they think Leaf still some legs. I do think the Ariya will oddly sell Leafs, just because it's cheaper and good enough for many needs.
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Re: Why would anyone buy a nissan leaf right now???

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h0IMgNbIZI4[/youtube]

I'm afraid I only got a third of the way through it. Whenever people talk about floating roofs, I'm out like a light.
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