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Re: Chevrolet Bolt & Bolt EUV

GRA wrote: Tue Sep 28, 2021 9:57 pm Possibly, although odds are the owners are more likely to be CR members than the general public. As it is, the most recent California report estimated there were just under 8,000 on the road here this year.
I have to admit, sometimes your posts rise to the level of entertainment.

CR collects about 300k surveys out of some 300M registered cars, or about 1/1000
So 8000 FCEVs are good for about 8 annual surveys, split by some 8 years and ~ 3 manufacturers. Call it 1/4 of a survey per model year

When FC owners are returning CR surveys at 250x their car brethren rate, you will have a chance of seeing them in the survey results.
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Re: Chevrolet Bolt & Bolt EUV

That's okay by me. The number on the road is so small, and the model choice so limited right now, that the data hardly signifies when it comes to making a choice. At 50 or 100k on the road, with several more models to choose from, it may start to matter. In the meantime, it would cost CR a matter of a few extra minutes to define categories for them, so they might as well do that now along with the PEVs.
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Re: Chevrolet Bolt & Bolt EUV

So this may be a dumb question, but given all the issues the Bolt and EUV have had, are people expecting to get big discounts on them when they go back on sale? (Or did they go back already on sale?)
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Re: Chevrolet Bolt & Bolt EUV

I'm not aware of the stop sale being lifted as of last night and from a quick glance of https://www.chevybolt.org/whats-new/posts/.

It would need to be a '17 to '19 which have had either its pack replaced or all its battery modules replaced with ones deemed safe. For '20 to '22, either that would need to be done or they'd have to replace the defective ones (provided they came up w/a validated method of determining which ones are defective).

Of course, you can still buy Bolts from non-GM sources. They don't need to abide by the stop sale. People have been buying.

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Re: Chevrolet Bolt & Bolt EUV

IEVS:
Some Dealers Are Buying Up Chevy Bolts Hoping For A Buyback
This was unexpected.
https://insideevs.com/news/537032/deale ... t-buyback/

The Chevrolet Bolt has become the Bad News Bears of 2021. Nearly a month ago General Motors announced it’s recalling every single Chevy Bolt ever made due to a potential fire risk. A defect within the battery system has so far caused 12 fires out of 147,000 Bolts produced and 3 injuries.

For many brands and models, this would be a death blow. Audi almost pulled out of North America due to a series of unintended acceleration recalls in the 1980s. In the 1990s, Ford installed over 13 million defective Firestone tires on its then-best-selling Ford Explorer. When the recall was made on those tires in August of 2000, Ford’s best-selling SUV never again reached its pre-recall sales numbers.

So why are some dealers buying up 2021 model year Bolts for more than $28,000, which is more than they retailed for just a few months ago? One dealer who wished to remain anonymous told us, “They [GM] are already going to pay half the value of the car with the new battery. Buybacks will be way cheaper for them. . . .”

The Financial Risks Are Minimal With A Voluntary Buyback On All Chevy Bolts

Car dealers live or die by understanding the free market. With prices for Chevy Bolts heading up in the wholesale markets instead of down, and with the six-million-vehicle-strong Manheim Auctions forecasting that a 2021 Chevy Bolt will lose no more than $100 in value over the next 12 months, the opportunity for a buyback program on all Chevy Bolts seems to be a surprisingly strong possibility, so dealers are responding by scooping them up.

Supply Is Way Down For New Cars

Thanks to the chip shortage, which is likely to last until at least 2023, new and used car prices have gone through the roof. This has helped keep the Chevy Bolts prices strong and steady.

The average used car is now worth nearly 25% more than it was worth a month ago according to Manheim Auctions. New car production has been slashed, in some cases by 40 percent, which has led to racetracks and stadiums filled to the brim with unsellable cars that are waiting for parts.

GM may not have much of a downside with a voluntary buyback offer if they decide to go in that direction because the shortage in inventory is allowing even unpopular models to sell for close to their MSRP. This is in very stark contrast to prior years where GM had to offer substantial rebates and incentives to sell the Chevy Bolt. . . .
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Re: Chevrolet Bolt & Bolt EUV

I received the email today at the OP of https://www.chevybolt.org/threads/impor ... -gm.41026/. Also, recently, some recall instructions have gone out (I only saw excerpts last night (e.g. https://www.chevybolt.org/threads/issue ... ost-657583)) about what people are saying is entire pack replacement now, not dealers swapping out all the battery sections (rows) at least on '17 to '19.

Swapping out battery rows would require opening up the pack (IIRC, there are ~50 bolts or screws securing the cover) + lots of dealer labor including a "smoke" (leak) test, etc. I would guess that GM is having that work done at their factories and/or centralized repair depots.

I'm unclear about '20 to '22 right now. Busy with day job.

Update: There was also this post from a dealer tech on a private Bolt FB group. It was copy/pasted to https://www.chevybolt.org/threads/inter ... tech.41035.

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Re: Chevrolet Bolt & Bolt EUV

LG to pay up to $1.9 billion to General Motors over Bolt EV battery fires
https://www.cnbc.com/2021/10/12/lg-chem ... fires.html

General Motors, LG Electronics Reach Agreement on Bolt EV Recall Costs
LG will reimburse GM for recall costs and expenses
https://media.gm.com/media/us/en/gm/hom ... oltev.html

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Re: Chevrolet Bolt & Bolt EUV

At last we can stop hearing "We Didn't Start the Fire" being sung by both parties.
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Re: Chevrolet Bolt & Bolt EUV

I'm seeing some chatter at like https://www.facebook.com/groups/chevrol ... 4219770481 about some folks about to get their packs replaced. Those are likely the highest risk groups as GM has said they would prioritize.

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Re: Chevrolet Bolt & Bolt EUV

cwerdna wrote: Tue Oct 12, 2021 2:58 pm I'm seeing some chatter at like https://www.facebook.com/groups/chevrol ... 4219770481 about some folks about to get their packs replaced. Those are likely the highest risk groups as GM has said they would prioritize.
Same here. Initial impressions say this will happen much quicker than I was expecting...
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