cwerdna
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Re: 2016-2017 model year 30 kWh bar losers and capacity losses

Oils4AsphaultOnly wrote: Sat May 13, 2023 11:59 am Basically, they owe you a warranty claim that would restore your car's powertrain back to like new condition - IOW 107miles of range.
No, they don't. There is an EV system warranty that is 5 years/60K miles, whichever comes first.

Per page 8 of https://www.nissanusa.com/content/dam/N ... ooklet.pdf, they are only obligated to repair/replace the pack to the point at which it has 9 bars or more of capacity. They are not obligated to bring it to original new capacity.

Ever since Leaf gained a capacity warranty, this language has been in there.

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Re: 2016-2017 model year 30 kWh bar losers and capacity losses

Oct 2019 we purchased our 2016 Nissan Leaf SL showing 22K miles and 9 SOH bars. 5 weeks later we lost the 4th bar. There was talk of a Buyback so I called our National Leaf Rep that had given me me our Nissan battery claim number. Six weeks after trailerng our Leaf to a Nissan dealership I was told a new 40 kWh Nissan battery had been installed and was ready for me to pick up.

I picked it up 12 February 2020 and verified the new battery specs with Leaf Spy Pro before leaving the installing Nissan Dealership parking lot.SOH was high 99%.

20K miles three years and 4 months later after charging to 100% it showed a Range of 148 miles and SOH 91.99% this week.

Hope you get another 10 years with a new 40 kWh battery pack.
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Re: 2016-2017 model year 30 kWh bar losers and capacity losses

whidbeyleafer wrote: Sat May 13, 2023 12:31 pm
mn4az wrote: Sat May 13, 2023 6:58 am
whidbeyleafer wrote: Sat May 13, 2023 6:54 am

We lost our 4th bar recently (see prior posts), and Nissan corporate also told me they have no ETA for a replacement battery and that they would like to buy the car back. After giving them several documents on the car, they offered us $8,310. This seems much too low, so we declined the offer. Luckily the car still meets our needs, so we will start the waiting game...
Did you buy it new or used?
Used, but I don’t think that is relevant. Nissan did not ask that question.
Nissan uses a formula some kind that includes price paid. What you paid will factor into the buyback price.
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1st bar loss: 10/24/19 @ 50731 miles | SOH 84.43%
2nd bar loss: 6/2/21 @ 61865 miles | SOH 78.73%
3rd bar loss: 8/26/22 @ 75041 miles | SOH 71.73%
4th bar loss: Expected Summer '23
TeaHSD
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Re: 2016-2017 model year 30 kWh bar losers and capacity losses

Getting close for me ... 66.66% SOH for a short bit with some bounce 66.66-66.80 this month.

Odd we are seeing more and more of these 'Nissan is offering $8,000-$13,000 to buy back this car instead of honoring the 40 kWh battery'...

Hoping to get in line and just hold the line. my car has a very high value to me in its usability. I would be shocked if they truly never replace all the warranty claim batteries, especially since the 8 years have a terminal end day possibility of 12/2024 to finally stop the bleeding ... hopefully it does work out and not that many people come for claims so that those of us who are on top of the ball can get their 40kWh battery.
02/16 mfg SL 30kWh. Purchased: 02/20 - 36k-85.44 SOH
1st bar loss: 03/2020 @ 37,000 miles-SOH 84.43%
2nd bar loss: 03/20/21 @ 39,889 miles-SOH 76.20%
3rd bar loss: 05/01/22 @ 45,690 miles-SOH 72.40%
4th bar loss: Summer '23? Now @ 66.66 SOH 50k 05/15/23
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Re: 2016-2017 model year 30 kWh bar losers and capacity losses

I'd expect the termination date to be closer to 12/2025 since many 2017 models were sold with 30kWh packs.
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Re: 2016-2017 model year 30 kWh bar losers and capacity losses

ALL of the 2017 Leafs were/are 30kwh.
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Re: 2016-2017 model year 30 kWh bar losers and capacity losses

cwerdna wrote: Sat May 13, 2023 4:45 pm
Oils4AsphaultOnly wrote: Sat May 13, 2023 11:59 am Basically, they owe you a warranty claim that would restore your car's powertrain back to like new condition - IOW 107miles of range.
No, they don't. There is an EV system warranty that is 5 years/60K miles, whichever comes first.

Per page 8 of https://www.nissanusa.com/content/dam/N ... ooklet.pdf, they are only obligated to repair/replace the pack to the point at which it has 9 bars or more of capacity. They are not obligated to bring it to original new capacity.

Ever since Leaf gained a capacity warranty, this language has been in there.
The EV battery warranty is separate from the "EV system" warranty - 8y/100k miles (the next page in the same manual). Regardless, that's referring to the repair/replace option, NOT the buy-back option, which is what this offer was about. Although being restored to 9-bars is what Nissan's legally required to do, buying back the car at a 9-bar market value is kind of a slap on the face.
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Re: 2016-2017 model year 30 kWh bar losers and capacity losses

Oils4AsphaultOnly wrote: Sun May 14, 2023 9:36 pm . Although being restored to 9-bars is what Nissan's legally required to do, buying back the car at a 9-bar market value is kind of a slap on the face.
Now that would be the Nissan Corporate I expect
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TeaHSD
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Re: 2016-2017 model year 30 kWh bar losers and capacity losses

goldbrick wrote: Sun May 14, 2023 7:22 pm I'd expect the termination date to be closer to 12/2025 since many 2017 models were sold with 30kWh packs.
I agree, realized that last night after I posted, so really they should be preparing for even more need then .. we will see what happens!
02/16 mfg SL 30kWh. Purchased: 02/20 - 36k-85.44 SOH
1st bar loss: 03/2020 @ 37,000 miles-SOH 84.43%
2nd bar loss: 03/20/21 @ 39,889 miles-SOH 76.20%
3rd bar loss: 05/01/22 @ 45,690 miles-SOH 72.40%
4th bar loss: Summer '23? Now @ 66.66 SOH 50k 05/15/23

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