LHN said:
I bought a 2023 SV+ in November and paid $38K. I will get the $7500 tax credit when we do our taxes in the next few months. So I don't really see that big of a difference between you and me, unless I am missing something. I also received $13K on my trade in (a 2016 Tiguan) and they offered NMAC financing at 2.25%, which was much less than my credit union. So I was very happy with the deal I got. I read about Bolts (but did not drive one) but ended up not considering one because I don't like Chevys. That's my personal bias.
The LEAF you got for $38k out-the-door (assuming with taxes etc), with federal rebate, would’ve made it $30.5k. That’s a great deal and I would’ve purchased at that price.
I was also unsure about Bolts and decided against them when I first considered replacing my 2013 LEAF. But the bad experience with the Nissan dealers left a sore taste in my mouth, and that prompted me to look into the Bolt more seriously. I was impressed enough to eventually purchase the EUV.
I will say that I still believe Nissan reliability (as part of the top 3 Japanese automakers like Toyota, Nissan, and Honda) to be better. Hopefully my Bolt EUV will be trouble-free for the 8-10 years I intend to own it.
LHN said:
I disagree. I am very happy with the tech, safety features, and general amenities. I had an ID.4 on order and cancelled it after getting my Leaf because the ID.4:
- Did not come with floor mats or an EVSE--these are an extra cost.
- Did not have the 360 camera.
- The cruise control wasn't as full featured.
I am 100% happy with my new Leaf, and I hope you are 100% happy with your new Bolt. Enjoy!
The ID.4 looks nice. When I said the LEAF’s tech is outdated, I meant things like not having active cooling in the batteries (problematic if on road trips in hotter climates) and the slower 50 kW DC charger (which is an issue that the Bolt shares with its 55 kW DC charger). Looks like everyone’s headed for 100 kW or more DC charging capabilities in the newest (3rd?) generation EVs. LPF batteries also look excellent, so looking forward to these being adopted in the next generation EVs.
Other tech like surround vision (aka 360 degree camera) and one-pedal driving that Nissan pioneered have been copied/implemented in other cars (or at least Bolt/EUV). These continue to be excellent, but they seem to be table-stakes now rather than differentiators to attract buyers.
Again, would love Nissan to bring focus back to a smaller EV like the LEAF. Most EV makers are pushing upmarket and pricing them like Tesla’s. A few exceptions like the LEAF and Bolt/EUV remain. Hopefully this segment won’t be neglected in the next generation EVs…