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Re: 16AMP cable on 2013 w/QC package

Tue Nov 26, 2019 7:17 am

In case anyone's interested about what I did for an EVSE, I ordered a Mustart 40AMP NEMA 14-50 in the updated version for $314 from Amazon. It strikes me as a good deal, will work with everything else I've got, and could provide an addition 25% increase in rate of charge for possible future needs. I don't really see a need for Wi-Fi or smart controls for my purposes, so that's what I ordered. Thanks again.


https://www.amazon.com/MUSTART-Portable ... _item?th=1

Oilpan4
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Re: 16AMP cable on 2013 w/QC package

Tue Nov 26, 2019 12:09 pm

I like it as I have 0 interest in WiFi or other wireless features.

As far as I have seen that's the cheapest 40 amp evse I have come across.
2011 white SL leaf with 2014 batt.
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Re: 16AMP cable on 2013 w/QC package

Tue Nov 26, 2019 12:37 pm

flogger wrote:
Tue Nov 26, 2019 7:17 am
In case anyone's interested about what I did for an EVSE, I ordered a Mustart 40AMP NEMA 14-50 in the updated version for $314 from Amazon. It strikes me as a good deal, will work with everything else I've got, and could provide an addition 25% increase in rate of charge for possible future needs. I don't really see a need for Wi-Fi or smart controls for my purposes, so that's what I ordered. Thanks again.
Not UL listed.
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Re: 16AMP cable on 2013 w/QC package

Tue Nov 26, 2019 3:53 pm

WetEV wrote:
Tue Nov 26, 2019 12:37 pm
Not UL listed.

It's TUV certified.

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Re: 16AMP cable on 2013 w/QC package

Wed Nov 27, 2019 9:19 am

flogger wrote:
Tue Nov 26, 2019 3:53 pm
WetEV wrote:
Tue Nov 26, 2019 12:37 pm
Not UL listed.

It's TUV certified.
I know almost nothing about TUV certification. Which TUV, by the way? There are at least several of them.

I know what is involved in UL listing.

Oh, I know this is a losing war. The cheapest and easiest to pass "certification" will win on the Internet as the lowest price is all that matters and it's all fun and games.

Until someone gets hurt.

I'll buy UL listed, thank you.
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Re: 16AMP cable on 2013 w/QC package

Wed Nov 27, 2019 5:48 pm

WetEV wrote:
Wed Nov 27, 2019 9:19 am
flogger wrote:
Tue Nov 26, 2019 3:53 pm
WetEV wrote:
Tue Nov 26, 2019 12:37 pm
Not UL listed.

It's TUV certified.
I know almost nothing about TUV certification. Which TUV, by the way? There are at least several of them.

I know what is involved in UL listing.

Oh, I know this is a losing war. The cheapest and easiest to pass "certification" will win on the Internet as the lowest price is all that matters and it's all fun and games.

Until someone gets hurt.

I'll buy UL listed, thank you.
I hear you about how expectations for safety certifications are changing in the internet age. Capitalism at work and all that... Anyhow, the device is marked TUV Rheinland and also cTUVus. I'm fine with it and think ours are both valid approaches.

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Re: 16AMP cable on 2013 w/QC package

Wed Nov 27, 2019 8:52 pm

My duosida evse isn't UL listed. Been using it for over a year, still not dead.
It's got some foreign safety listings.
2011 white SL leaf with 2014 batt.
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Re: 16AMP cable on 2013 w/QC package

Wed Nov 27, 2019 10:54 pm

flogger wrote:
Wed Nov 27, 2019 5:48 pm
I hear you about how expectations for safety certifications are changing in the internet age. Capitalism at work and all that... Anyhow, the device is marked TUV Rheinland and also cTUVus. I'm fine with it and think ours are both valid approaches.
Web search finds this page...

https://www.certipedia.com/search/match ... ng+station

Can't find it... Is there a certificate number or something else that might narrow it down?
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Re: 16AMP cable on 2013 w/QC package

Thu Nov 28, 2019 11:55 am

WetEV wrote:
Wed Nov 27, 2019 10:54 pm
flogger wrote:
Wed Nov 27, 2019 5:48 pm
I hear you about how expectations for safety certifications are changing in the internet age. Capitalism at work and all that... Anyhow, the device is marked TUV Rheinland and also cTUVus. I'm fine with it and think ours are both valid approaches.
Web search finds this page...

https://www.certipedia.com/search/match ... ng+station

Can't find it... Is there a certificate number or something else that might narrow it down?
Dunno. I've got this:
https://www.osha.gov/dts/otpca/nrtl/nrtllist.html

And I don't see it here:
https://www.tuv.com/world/en/black-list/index.jsp

That's all the time I'm going to spend on it.

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Re: 16AMP cable on 2013 w/QC package

Thu Nov 28, 2019 12:39 pm

flogger wrote:
Thu Nov 28, 2019 11:55 am
WetEV wrote:
Wed Nov 27, 2019 10:54 pm
flogger wrote:
Wed Nov 27, 2019 5:48 pm
I hear you about how expectations for safety certifications are changing in the internet age. Capitalism at work and all that... Anyhow, the device is marked TUV Rheinland and also cTUVus. I'm fine with it and think ours are both valid approaches.
Web search finds this page...

https://www.certipedia.com/search/match ... ng+station

Can't find it... Is there a certificate number or something else that might narrow it down?
Dunno. I've got this:
https://www.osha.gov/dts/otpca/nrtl/nrtllist.html

And I don't see it here:
https://www.tuv.com/world/en/black-list/index.jsp

That's all the time I'm going to spend on it.
Very interesting. So TUV Rheinland is qualified in the USA to do this testing:

https://www.osha.gov/dts/otpca/nrtl/tuv.html
UL 2202 Electric Vehicle (EV) Charging System Equipment
That seems to be the charger in the car or a DCQC, if I'm reading the summary correctly, but there might be some EVSE requirements included.

https://standardscatalog.ul.com/standar ... ndard_2202

But not EVSEs:

https://standardscatalog.ul.com/standar ... ard_2594_2

This seems to be the main EVSE UL standard. So what did they test to?

Deeper into UL standards that I want to dive, as I'm am not and have not engineered these things. Yea, I'm done with this topic as well. I'll buy UL listed products as I don't want to do engineering to evaluate a purchase. And I'll point out the lack of a UL listing. Sorry about that.
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