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Re: "Trickle charging is not recommended for regular use"

Mon Jul 04, 2011 2:08 pm

drees wrote:
LEAFfan wrote:Driving on the city streets, I've reached 6.8m/kwh.
Is that from the wall or as indicated on the dash?
That's from the dash. CarWings (website) was a ridiculous 8.2.
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Re: "Trickle charging is not recommended for regular use"

Fri Jul 08, 2011 4:23 pm

Was there ever a definite conclusion to this thread? Nissan is scolding me for using L1 only and saying it is causing "problems". I retorted and asked why and have gotten no response other than "L1 is for emergency purposes only" so I would like something to come back at them with.
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Re: "Trickle charging is not recommended for regular use"

Fri Jul 08, 2011 4:46 pm

Have them show you anywhere where it says that in writing from Nissan. They won't be able to because it is not true. The only negative thing that Nissan has to say about L1 charging at all is that it is slower and less efficient than L2. It does not cause any "problems" of any kind.

I think it is simply a poor Japanese translation and that "emergency" refers to the time that it takes to charge on 120, which may be too long for some and their usage needs...
tzzhc4 wrote:Was there ever a definite conclusion to this thread? Nissan is scolding me for using L1 only and saying it is causing "problems". I retorted and asked why and have gotten no response other than "L1 is for emergency purposes only" so I would like something to come back at them with.
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Re: "Trickle charging is not recommended for regular use"

Fri Jul 08, 2011 6:34 pm

i have charged on L1 for about 5600 of the 6200+ miles driven in my Leaf. i have seen no ill effects as of yet. guess it will be a while for any long term effects

or maybe my battery check will yield unusual degradation but i kinda highly doubt it.
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Re: "Trickle charging is not recommended for regular use"

Fri Jul 08, 2011 8:25 pm

mogur wrote:Have them show you anywhere where it says that in writing from Nissan. They won't be able to because it is not true. The only negative thing that Nissan has to say about L1 charging at all is that it is slower and less efficient than L2. It does not cause any "problems" of any kind.

I think it is simply a poor Japanese translation and that "emergency" refers to the time that it takes to charge on 120, which may be too long for some and their usage needs...
tzzhc4 wrote:Was there ever a definite conclusion to this thread? Nissan is scolding me for using L1 only and saying it is causing "problems". I retorted and asked why and have gotten no response other than "L1 is for emergency purposes only" so I would like something to come back at them with.
I also wonder. I'm a prospective buyer and don't plan on getting a home EVSE installed (long story). L1 charging will suffice for me (yes, I know it's very slow). If I end up buying, I wonder if I'll also get a "scolding". Hope Nissan's willing to elaborate on the "problems".

FWIW, in Japan, their power is only 100 volts out of the wall (http://www.jnto.go.jp/eng/arrange/essen ... icity.html). Not sure of the amperage of typical 100 volt outlets household outlets there...

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Re: "Trickle charging is not recommended for regular use"

Sat Jul 09, 2011 7:43 am

cwerdna wrote: I also wonder. I'm a prospective buyer and don't plan on getting a home EVSE installed (long story). L1 charging will suffice for me (yes, I know it's very slow). If I end up buying, I wonder if I'll also get a "scolding". Hope Nissan's willing to elaborate on the "problems".
dont worry about it. i did it. charged at 120 for 5 months. but Phil's EVSE mod is definitely the way to roll. cost $250 for that. another $50 for monitoring equipment and $23 for misc electrical and i have a setup that puts back 80+ miles of charge in less than 7 hours.

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Re: "Trickle charging is not recommended for regular use"

Sat Jul 09, 2011 11:14 am

So I went to the dealer today to get my car and the dealer told me again that "you are not supposed to be using the charger that came with the car as your primary charging you are supposed to have a thing on your wall". I told them this wasn't what I was told by the dealer I purchased the car from and Nissan doesn't specifically say you can't use L1 charging. The dealer then reiterated their position on how I should have a wall charger and how plug charging causes problems. The service manager then said Nissan is to flying a technician out to look at my car sometime so could I bring it back next week, please.

Does anyone have any information from Nissan saying L1 charging all the time is allowed? I am just worried they are going to point at the manual and say see it says you aren't supposed to use it as your primary means.
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Re: "Trickle charging is not recommended for regular use"

Sat Jul 09, 2011 11:37 am

My wife suggested I try the Leaf Support site and here is what they say. Boils down to L1 charging is slower and Nissan doesn't want people to get stuck, no harm is caused and they are going to talk to the dealer and make sure they understand.

Please wait while we find an agent to assist you...

You have been connected to paul s.

paul s: Thank you for contacting Nissan LEAF Customer Support, my name is paul s. How may I help you today John?

John Simon: I was wondering if using L1 charging for normal charging was allowed.

paul s: Okay, John... that is actually a great question!

paul s: The Leaf Owner's manual does not recommend using the "trickle" charge as your sole means of charging, however...

paul s: The reason for this is not due to any potential harm to your Nissan Leaf..

John Simon: what is the reason?

paul s: Essentially, due to the signifcantly greater time required to charge, Nissan does recommend relying on trickle charge alone..

paul s: However, there is less heat involved in the trickle charge...

John Simon: The reason I ask is I have a Nissan Leaf and I took it in for service and the dealer is telling me I should not be using L1 charging as it is for emergencies and they are saying I am harming my car

paul s: So, can you tell me which dealership you are using for your Leaf servicing?

John Simon: Nissan of McKinney

paul s: Excellent! I can get in touch with the EV specialist at that location and give them a more practical perspective on the situation...

John Simon: thank you

paul s: In short, many customers are driving 50 or 60 miles a day and at that rate, they would not be able to fully re-charge by mid-week... leaving them in a bind to be able to use their Leaf..

John Simon: That makes sense from a range perspective but I typically don't drive that much so L1 meets my needs now. If I do start driving or my power company offers time of use I would switch to L2

John Simon: I mean driving greater distance

paul s: For the smaller percentage of customers who may only drive ten miles a day, there is no reason that they cannot recharge at the end of every week and never be in a position to use the vehicle

John Simon: cool, this answers my questions. I appreciate the information and thank you for contacting the EV specialist at my dealer
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Re: "Trickle charging is not recommended for regular use"

Sat Jul 09, 2011 11:51 am

I told Nissan I was getting a Leviton. End of story.
Don't make waves or prove a point.... just get the car and get on with your gasoline free life.
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Re: "Trickle charging is not recommended for regular use"

Sat Jul 09, 2011 12:21 pm

smkettner wrote:I told Nissan I was getting a Leviton. End of story.
Don't make waves or prove a point.... just get the car and get on with your gasoline free life.
I told the dealer (a different dealer) when I bought the Leaf that I was going to just use L1 until more chargers were on the market and the price dropped because the AV was crazy expensive. They said that was fine and they had heard others were doing the same. I assumed it was end of story until I got an EV System Warning code and took it to a a different dealer that was closer (this was my mistake I should have gone to the dealer I bought from since I bought from). The other dealer was trying to say the L1 charger was only for emergencies and shouldn't be used. So it wasn't so much to prove a point but to set things straight and get the story from Nissan.

That said I love my Leaf. It is a great car and it is great to be off gas and not filtering WVO :)
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