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Re: Need help deciding the future of my LEAF.

In the meantime, I will hedge my bets by continuing to remind (OK, harass) my neighbor over selling me his Model S at the trade in value he's offered if and when he comes to sell it. I don't think I could go too wrong with his VERY babied car.
I wouldn't keep a Tesla Model S after the warranty expired. How old is this car?
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Re: Need help deciding the future of my LEAF.

FWIW, ID.4 has terrible reliability ratings at https://www.consumerreports.org/car-rel ... 824554938/, which is no surprise for VW. Unfortunately, it's behind a paywall (but I subscribe).

VW is ranked 24 out of 28. ID.4 got a reliability score of 21 out of 100. I glanced thru the top 10 brands on that list and the highest scoring car in that metric was the Lexus GX at 100. The next highest I saw there within the top 10 brands was the Prius Prime w/a 93.

I'm not a fan of buying a car w/scores that low. Lease, maybe I might be able to tolerate it but in my book, something that needs to go back to the shop a lot is junk. There are plenty of other autos that don't need that esp. within the 1st 3 to 5 years. I generally avoid cars w/below average reliability ratings but 21 out of 100 is way below average.

Tesla was ranked 27/28. Model S got a 20 out of 100. The Model 3 is the only one that does ok there w/59 out of 100.

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Re: Need help deciding the future of my LEAF.

cwerdna wrote: Mon Jan 17, 2022 3:15 pm FWIW, ID.4 has terrible reliability ratings at https://www.consumerreports.org/car-rel ... 824554938/, which is no surprise for VW.
I find that information useless without knowing the specifics of the trouble categories. E.g., BT connectivity might be a sore spot for that car but I could not care less.
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Re: Need help deciding the future of my LEAF.

Ok. It looks like the problem spots for ID4 which get the lowest mark (there are 5 icons) are drive system and in-car electronics. Power equipment gets a 2/5. The rest are fine with highest mark of 5/5. Definitions are at https://www.consumerreports.org/car-rel ... 099917197/.

There is only data for 1 model year: '21.

If i pick a Toyota w/only a reliability rating of only 70, the Camry, for model year '21, every system has the highest mark (5/5), except power equipment with 4/5.

I can only guess the problem rate on the 1/5 systems on ID.4 must have been really bad coupled with another 2/5 to push its overall predicted reliability to be so low.

I don't know why the average problem rate chart for systems at https://www.consumerreports.org/car-rel ... 200719842/ only goes up to model year '18. Previous versions included newer model years. That's for a given system spanning 12 months but less for the latest model year.

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Re: Need help deciding the future of my LEAF.

IIRC, VWs are prone to issues with things like window regulators (motors). A bit more troublesome than poor Bluetooth connections. Since this has been the case for decades, I guess that VW is ok with that level of accessory unreliability.
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Re: Need help deciding the future of my LEAF.

cwerdna wrote: Mon Jan 17, 2022 4:40 pm Ok. It looks like the problem spots for ID4 which get the lowest mark (there are 5 icons) are drive system
That is an example of something I would pay attention to. Are these problems that leave owners stranded ? Or something benign ?
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Re: Need help deciding the future of my LEAF.

watchdoc wrote: Mon Jan 17, 2022 11:25 am
solartim wrote: Mon Jan 17, 2022 6:39 am Have you looked at the VW ID.4? Very reasonable price, plus you get the full warranty and the tax credits. It will take a while to receive, but any new car will now, unless you're paying a dealer premium.
Worst UI ever combined with slow screens was a deal breaker for me.
I had no problem with slow screens. I found the ID.4 the better of all the dashboard interfaces in my recent set of test drives. Of all the EVs, the Mach-e was the absolute worst.
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