DougWantsALeaf
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The picture of the battery pack quickly flashed looks the same.
mtndrew1 said:They RAISED the price?!! Has everyone at Nissan gone mad?
If an EV based on an old economy car platform without the costs of active cooling, built in a nonunion plant, with battery cell costs at ~$150/kWh can’t be sold profitably for $30k something is very wrong.
This will be the final nail in the coffin for CHAdeMO in the US. In 2019, CCS is already outselling CHAdeMO ~38,000 units vs ~15,000 units. The 2021 model year adds the Ford Mach-E, Kia Soul EV, Mini Cooper EV, Mercedes EQC, Polestar 2, and Volvo XC40 to the CCS side while Leaf sales will almost certainly continue to contract. Why would any charging network bother to add more CHAdeMO at this point?
webeleafowners said:mtndrew1 said:They RAISED the price?!! Has everyone at Nissan gone mad?
If an EV based on an old economy car platform without the costs of active cooling, built in a nonunion plant, with battery cell costs at ~$150/kWh can’t be sold profitably for $30k something is very wrong.
This will be the final nail in the coffin for CHAdeMO in the US. In 2019, CCS is already outselling CHAdeMO ~38,000 units vs ~15,000 units. The 2021 model year adds the Ford Mach-E, Kia Soul EV, Mini Cooper EV, Mercedes EQC, Polestar 2, and Volvo XC40 to the CCS side while Leaf sales will almost certainly continue to contract. Why would any charging network bother to add more CHAdeMO at this point?
Because every Tesla is Chademo compatible maybe. That will probably evolve as well.
mtndrew1 said:webeleafowners said:mtndrew1 said:They RAISED the price?!! Has everyone at Nissan gone mad?
If an EV based on an old economy car platform without the costs of active cooling, built in a nonunion plant, with battery cell costs at ~$150/kWh can’t be sold profitably for $30k something is very wrong.
This will be the final nail in the coffin for CHAdeMO in the US. In 2019, CCS is already outselling CHAdeMO ~38,000 units vs ~15,000 units. The 2021 model year adds the Ford Mach-E, Kia Soul EV, Mini Cooper EV, Mercedes EQC, Polestar 2, and Volvo XC40 to the CCS side while Leaf sales will almost certainly continue to contract. Why would any charging network bother to add more CHAdeMO at this point?
Because every Tesla is Chademo compatible maybe. That will probably evolve as well.
For $500 it can be, with a giant clunky adapter you have to carry everywhere.
I’ve done a lot of CHAdeMO charging on my other cars and I’ve been around an awful lot of Tesla drivers. I’ve never seen a Tesla using a CHAdeMO adapter and most Tesla drivers I know simply have no idea such an adapter exists.
In fact it looks like charging networks are going the opposite direction and adding native Tesla DC charging plugs to their stations and moving CHAdeMO off to the side (EVgo). EA has what, one CHAdeMO for every eight CCS?
CHAdeMO is near death in the US, Canada, Korea, and the EU. Nissan sure isn’t helping with their absurd Leaf pricing and low volumes.
salyavin said:That is an awesome price on the Bolt you saw and it even has thermal management of the battery. Does the bolt have any kind of adaptive cruise control yet? I found it a bit smaller than the Leaf, I needed the room for kid crap. Goodness though that price is great on that Bolt. I wonder if Leaf will drop their price when their incentives finally run out, will be very hard to compete otherwise.
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