My question is "Does that guy know the difference between male and female...?"
francoismarc said:That's great to hear! I'm sure you love the Bolt's bigger battery and CCS charging capabilities.
DougWantsALeaf said:Sagebrush
I am not debating that ccs won the war, but the Chademo infrastructure is still growing, not shrinking nationwide. It's not growing as fast as ccs now, but total locations and stations is still going up.
I had thought that peak Chademo would be this spring, but it looks like that we have another year of good growth.
SageBrush said:I expect Nissan to cut the CHAdeMO cord abruptly. No warning, no planned transition. And when they do, the push to yank out the CHAdeMO that does exist and re-use the infrastructure is going to be loud because it makes money sense for the operators.
And without the political power of Nissan to plead the case of the LEAF owner who bought dead tech to "save" a few dollars, I expect a swift and brief burial. Moreover, a Nissan exit will kill the CHAdeMO standards body and make it easy for the dieselgate administrators to exit stage left.
WetEV said:Japan and China use the same standard now, based on CHAdeMO.
SageBrush said:My earlier comments were for N.A., I do agree that Japan is in a pickle.
WetEV said:I'll not reply to or quote your first statement. You might want to reconsider it.SageBrush said:In the same sense that humans are based on apes, which in turn are based on pigs.
Ever seen a GB/T 20234.3? In North America, of course, travel doesn't count.SageBrush said:CHad 3.0 was released in 2020 to fanfare, but so far as I can tell there is not a single charger in the wild 2.5 years later and the PR outlets have been silent for years . Your declaration of Far East homogeneity is an unrealized fantasy (although I'll be the first to admit it looked like a good idea on paper.) Heck, the SAE even got into the act and said that a CCS2 adapter is possible.
SageBrush said:A new plug called ChaoJi that fits into .... no EVs
WetEV said:There once was a CCS1 specification, and for a while, there were exactly zero CCS1 cars.SageBrush said:A new plug called ChaoJi that fits into .... no EVs
Ever heard of Google Search ?We are in a wrong part of the world to pay close attention to the progress of the Chaoji world, or lack there of.
SageBrush said:CCS was proposed in 2011, ratified in 2012, and both chargers and cars made in 2013. This was early, early, EV days
SageBrush said:Anyway, your 'point' was that CHAdeMO and GB/T are unified. That is BS, and in fact close to the opposite is true which is why ChaoJi REQUIRES both an adapter and unique software for each type of EV. I do find it interesting that CHAdeMO and GB/T are not closer implementations since they both use CanBus and two pin DC. But then there is an awful lot about this stuff I do not understand so the unexpected need for a Frankenstein plug is just a reflection of my ignorance (and yours). I accept that they are quite different in ways I am not familiar with.
Moreover, a Nissan exit will kill the CHAdeMO standards body
WetEV said:NIO and others are rolling out ~500kW chargers, which are beyond the capabilities of the GB/T specification. Not to mention beyond the charging capabilities any car that NIO sells. I can't find any details on the connector. Can you?
SageBrush said:I have only read about ChaoJi in the context of a needed adapter so I'm not sure if they are proposing a much higher amperage adapter or if the cars will be adapter-less and have CHAoJi ports. If the latter is true, they will need a way to connect to the existing GB/T infrastructure.
Moreover, a Nissan exit will kill the CHAdeMO standards body
^^ This is what I said was BS.WetEV said:Japan and China use the same standard now, based on CHAdeMO.
SageBrush said:^^ This is what I said was BS.WetEV said:Japan and China use the same standard now, based on CHAdeMO.
No.
Not even close.
SageBrush said:I expect Nissan to cut the CHAdeMO cord abruptly. No warning, no planned transition. And when they do, the push to yank out the CHAdeMO that does exist and re-use the infrastructure is going to be loud because it makes money sense for the operators.
And without the political power of Nissan to plead the case of the LEAF owner who bought dead tech to "save" a few dollars, I expect a swift and brief burial. Moreover, a Nissan exit will kill the CHAdeMO standards body and make it easy for the dieselgate administrators to exit stage left.
WetEV said:And of course, you are never wrong.WetEV said:This is 100% USDA BS:
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