Valdemar
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I'm curious if the BMS has any calibration based on real data to work more or less properly with severely degraded batteries. I wouldn't be surprised that anything below 70% hasn't been tested by Nissan.
That was pretty much my understanding of it. I don't think it will even be that measurable though.dhanson865 said:So maybe you'd have lower acceleration at 5 bars remaining (7 bars lost) but the car would still be drivable?
Maybe the worst thing about a 6 or 7 bar loser would be no turtle mode. As in the car would still drive but it might go from 5 miles remaining to stuck on the side of the road in a quarter mile because the pack drop off is more severe? Maybe the car would skip the VLBW if the pack is degraded enough?
My hunch, based on nothing other than intuition, is that they would have done testing-to-failure on the battery packs, if only for reassurance that nothing (externally) catastrophic happens. And absent such testing, how would they have known that packs no longer desirable for automotive use were still suitable for stationary power?Valdemar said:I wouldn't be surprised that anything below 70% hasn't been tested by Nissan.
DaveInAvl said:And absent such testing, how would they have known that packs no longer desirable for automotive use were still suitable for stationary power?
JPWhite said:LTLFTcomposite said:Any update on improving the heat resistance of the battery? Looks like the current ones are good for about three years here, and now we have a number... almost $2000/year for batteries. Even if electricity is free, I'll be spending more on batteries than I would on gas if that's all the longer they last.
Mr Brockman did confirm that this is the more durable chemistry that goes in the 2015 models.
foolios said:JPWhite said:LTLFTcomposite said:Any update on improving the heat resistance of the battery? Looks like the current ones are good for about three years here, and now we have a number... almost $2000/year for batteries. Even if electricity is free, I'll be spending more on batteries than I would on gas if that's all the longer they last.
Mr Brockman did confirm that this is the more durable chemistry that goes in the 2015 models.
I know the answer is somewhere in this lengthy thread but I'm gonna short circuit to an answer.
Q: 2013 S version Leaf with no upgrades; will it be able to take on this new 2015 battery and it's extended range?
foolios said:I know the answer is somewhere in this lengthy thread but I'm gonna short circuit to an answer.
Q: 2013 S version Leaf with no upgrades; will it be able to take on this new 2015 battery and it's extended range?
kubel said:Expectations are that it won't be until 2017 that a new larger capacity pack will be available. It remains unlikely that this new pack will be backwards compatible, since the LEAF will probably see a refresh at the platform level.
KJD said:Did you guys see the battery replacement video. This guy claims that they are now putting in the 2015 Lizard battery as replacements. At least thats what he says they put in his car.
http://transportevolved.com/2014/08/07/nissan-leaf-battery-warranty-repair-whats-involved/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Yes I think so. It was also on Inside EVs a couple of days ago.DaveinOlyWA said:KJD said:Did you guys see the battery replacement video. This guy claims that they are now putting in the 2015 Lizard battery as replacements. At least thats what he says they put in his car.
http://transportevolved.com/2014/08/07/nissan-leaf-battery-warranty-repair-whats-involved/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
is this the guy in OC? he got a lizard battery replaced under warranty with like 46,000 miles or so i think?
KJD said:Did you guys see the battery replacement video. This guy claims that they are now putting in the 2015 Lizard battery as replacements. At least thats what he says they put in his car.
http://transportevolved.com/2014/08/07/nissan-leaf-battery-warranty-repair-whats-involved/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Chances are you'll be the guinea pig, and will determine whether we return to calling Nissan all sorts of names. Getting rid of B0133 is such an easy and cheap way to avoid any more damage to their reputation amongst their earliest and most vocal customers, that if the past two years hadn't happened I would never believe they would voluntarily do such a thing - I mean, look how quickly the complaints faded as soon as they announced a battery price, which they could have done just as easily in 2012 (but for a higher price) and avoided all the damage. But the past two years did happen, so I know they're fully capable of acting contrary to their own long-term interest and reputation. Have they learned the lesson, or is it back to business as usual?mwalsh said:KJD said:Did you guys see the battery replacement video. This guy claims that they are now putting in the 2015 Lizard battery as replacements. At least thats what he says they put in his car.
http://transportevolved.com/2014/08/07/nissan-leaf-battery-warranty-repair-whats-involved/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
I just checked in with the guy to see if he had the B0133, and he did not opt-out of Klee. So we're no further ahead on knowing if that's really going to be an issue or not. But I am down 3 bars now, with the expectation of maybe loosing the 4th by the end of summer.
GRA said:look how quickly the complaints faded as soon as they announced a battery price, which they could have done just as easily in 2012 (but for a higher price) and avoided all the damage.
I thought the reason to opt out of any class action was to retain your right to sue - either individually or in another class?mwalsh said:^ Not being given a battery price was one of the 3 major reasons I opted out of Klee. The other two being the structuring of the warranty so it would likely exclude many on the cusp of being eligible and the notion that it was defective materials responsible for the losses rather than anything else (lack of ceramic separator and poor choice of electrolyte), so the battery really should have been covered under the existing materials/workmanship warranty.
Technically it did that, but not the reason for most that opted out.jhm614 said:I thought the reason to opt out of any class action was to retain your right to sue - either individually or in another class?
+1jhm614 said:I thought the reason to opt out of any class action was to retain your right to sue - either individually or in another class?
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