TonyWilliams
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I used the Superchargers in Buena Park, California on the first day that it was open and it was already almost full.
It seems Tesla has been doing a lot of work in stealth mode, as SCs are now known to be under construction (some nearly finished) In Lincoln, Gothenburg, and Ogallala, NE along I-80 west of Council Bluffs, plus Junction, TX on I-10 west of San Antonio. Nothing's known for I-20, although there are reasonably strong rumors for one appearing in Midland. Lincoln to Gothenburg is 193 miles, so presumably they've either got or are looking for a site in between, as that would be problematic even for S85s in winter. As for Junction, it's 238 miles from the Columbus SC, but apparently San Antonio will be getting SCs at the Service Center when that opens.GRA said:W. Des Moines and Davenport, Iowa opened yesterday, which, along with Coralville means I-80 is now open from Chicago west into Nebraska. It seems unlikely there'll be much work done during the rest of fall and winter as far as completing through Nebraska and Wyoming to SLC, although Lincoln, NE is in 'permit' status. They really need to get going on I-20 west of Sweetwater, and I-10 west of Columbus, TX, as nothing has happened on either route for a couple of months now (other than Channelview, which was infill east of Houston). I-10's the only possible all-weather X-C route, so the delay is hard to understand.
At least legacy Tesla owners will at least be able to find some comfort over not getting hardware needed for self-driving in their cars with the knowledge that they can at least use Superchargers indefinitely.
arnis said:More than 400kWh each year. Not a lot of users who heavily tip that.
Let's recall how many Leaf users ever QC-d their tiny battery
And then lets subtract all those QC sessions that happened because
24kWh was not enough. Then lets subtract all QC sessions up to
400kWh/yr. And add some QC sessions for long-distance trips.
It will be pretty rare when free-400kWh will be tipped.
There are some stubborn users who avoided charging at home just
to save money. These are going to stop doing that.
I was expecting something similar: I predicted that free limit will be monthly based
and I expected to have free days/sessions, not kWh. Like 2 unlimited days per month.
But annual limit is much easier to handle.
arnis said:More than 400kWh each year. Not a lot of users who heavily tip that.
Let's recall how many Leaf users ever QC-d their tiny battery
arnis said:Tesla is a normal vehicle. Do people with Corollas in US monthly drive more than 200 miles per day?
Looking at used vehicle mileages (for example vehicles that are 10 years old) I see really low
mileage vehicles for sale. Statistics say the same: average is 11-15k miles in US annually.
Individual habits don't matter. Yes, there are always exclusions. And yes people do drive more than 200 miles
per day. But first 250 miles are not counted, any day. Therefore there must be like one 500 mile trip, every season.
I drive 21k miles each year with Leaf. Almost no QC. If I had bigger battery it would be around 24-25k miles.
If I had unlimited battery it would still be around 24-25k miles, same as it was before EV-decade.
And where is the problem to pay 10-20$? We do pay for electricity anyway.
arnis said:Tesla is a normal vehicle. Do people with Corollas in US monthly drive more than 200 miles per day?
arnis said:More than 400kWh each year. Not a lot of users who heavily tip that.
lorenfb said:arnis said:Tesla is a normal vehicle. Do people with Corollas in US monthly drive more than 200 miles per day?
What???????
You just stated this in a previous post:
arnis said:More than 400kWh each year. Not a lot of users who heavily tip that.
That amount of annual energy usage for a Tesla is less than a 1,000 miles per year (400 / 85 X 200)!
Did you confuse daily with yearly?
Please re-read this:
http://arstechnica.com/cars/2016/11...ging-for-teslas-ordered-after-january-1-2017/
GetOffYourGas said:lorenfb said:arnis said:Tesla is a normal vehicle. Do people with Corollas in US monthly drive more than 200 miles per day?
What???????
You just stated this in a previous post:
arnis said:More than 400kWh each year. Not a lot of users who heavily tip that.
That amount of annual energy usage for a Tesla is less than a 1,000 miles per year (400 / 85 X 200)!
Did you confuse daily with yearly?
Please re-read this:
http://arstechnica.com/cars/2016/11...ging-for-teslas-ordered-after-january-1-2017/
No, Arnis is not being inconsistent. You don't charge all of your yearly miles via superchargers (if you did, you won't anymore!). For most owners, you ONLY use the superchargers when traveling more than 200 miles in a single day..
lorenfb said:Really? And you have sampled typical Tesla owners and compiled the data to determine how they use the SC network?
Please! Do you understand how a typical consumer views the term free?
TonyWilliams said:People do abuse local Superchargers. That's just a fact. I happen to know one.
Sadly, the existing freeloaders will remain freeloaders for many years.
You are absolutely wrong, most Tesla owners will consider $40/mo insignificant, and not worth the 3 min to drive to a close by charger and back, much less to spend any time waiting for it to charge. Yeah, I know a few. Trust me, when they are buying a third Tesla for their 15 y/o kid, spending $40 is like many of us buying a $0.50 soda. Of course their are outliers, but no, the $40/mo saver is not the average Model S/Model X owner.lorenfb said:Example:
1. Assume an average annual mileage of 12K.
2. Assume 200 miles per full charge.
3. Then 60 full charges per year.
4. Assume energy used per full charge is 80 kWh.
5. Total annual energy consumed is 4800 kWh. (over 10X the new Tesla limit)
6. Assume off-hours charging rate of $.10 / kWh for home charging.
7. Then the potential saving per year using the SC network is $480/year.
Most rational Tesla owners with nearby SC access and available time, e.g. shopping, movie, appointment,
and/or lunch/dinner, will not consider a potential $480/year electric bill savings insignificant and will utilize
the SC network as much as possible for most of their charging needs. So to assume that the SC network
is only utilized now for those doing long distance travel is naive.
Summary:
Using an average weekly travel of 200 miles per week (> 10K per year) for a Tesla owner and a weekly shopping
trip to a nearby SC location, a Tesla owner could easily fulfill all charging needs without any home charging.
DaveinOlyWA said:doesn't matter how many Tesla owners you know because you don't know the ones that are abusing the SC network and this is why all this is happening. Tesla Owners brought this on themselves...
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