greenleaf
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Opening for orders on 11/17.
greenleaf said:Opening for orders on 11/17.
mitch672 said:too little, too late, too expensive for a 15 mile EV range.
Disagree - the PIP is a very good complement to an EV in a 2+ car household.mitch672 said:too little, too late, too expensive for a 15 mile EV range.
If one were looking for the most economical vehicle they'd go buy a $11k Nissan Versa. Unless you put an insane amount of miles on your regular Prius it's never going to save you money, either. At 33 mpg vs 50 mpg it's going to take $4/gal gas and 300k miles before you save money.mitch672 said:for the money they are charging for the PiP, it will never save you money, so buy it for other reasons, such as not using gasoline, thats fine, but do not look at it as saving you money, as it will probably not over a standard Prius.
drees said:If one were looking for the most economical vehicle they'd go buy a $11k Nissan Versa. Unless you put an insane amount of miles on your regular Prius it's never going to save you money, either. At 33 mpg vs 50 mpg it's going to take $4/gal gas and 300k miles before you save money.mitch672 said:for the money they are charging for the PiP, it will never save you money, so buy it for other reasons, such as not using gasoline, thats fine, but do not look at it as saving you money, as it will probably not over a standard Prius.
The Prius PIP will allow one to maintain the all the utility of a Prius while eliminating a significant amount of gasoline use without compromise. What other plug-in on the market today (or to be released in the next year) can make that claim?
These are the same arguments people make against the Prius - and now Prius fans are using those same arguments against the PIP. :? :? :?
drees said:PIP starts at $32k - $2.5k fed tax credit - $1.5k CVRP rebate = $28k
Volt starts at $40k - $7.5k fed tax credt = $32.5k
Good point - looks like my PIP price excluded delivery fee of $760 while the Volt price I quoted included it. Edited my earlier post.JeffN said:The 2012 Volt MSRP is $39,145. No word yet on the 2013 MSRP. If the price were maintained it would be $39,145 - $7.5k fed tax credit - $1.5k CVRP rebate = $30,145.drees said:PIP starts at $32k - $2.5k fed tax credit - $1.5k CVRP rebate = $28k
Volt starts at $40k - $7.5k fed tax credt = $32.5k
Didn't GM originally say the Volt would qualify for the CVRP rebate for the 2012 model year? I won't hold my breath, but if they do, Toyota will have more competition. Now if only they'd lose 500 lbs from the Volt and put it in a chassis that had some decent back-seat room and get CS mode to at least 45 mpg we'd have a real race!JeffN said:The Volt will qualify for the same CVRP rebate soon after the PiP becomes available next Spring.
TEG said:I think Toyota will make some PiP sales in California to people who just want to buy the carpool and/or EV parking perk that goes along with only that model. Otherwise it is a lot more to pay for the MPG improvement.
The Prius plug-in, classified by California as an Enhanced Advanced Technology Partial-Zero Emission Vehicle, or EAT-PZEV, also makes the cut.
In states following California’s emissions standards, the plug-in car’s lithium-ion battery pack carries a 10-year, 150,000-mile warranty. In other states, the battery warranty will be eight years and 100,000 miles. The longer-term warranty was necessary to earn the new Prius EAT-PZEV status and consequently give its drivers access to California’s H.O.V. lanes.
That warranty stipulation prevented the 2011 Chevrolet Volt, among the most fuel-efficient vehicles on any road, from earning EAT-PZEV emissions status; the Volt has an eight-year, 100,000-mile battery warranty.
But not for much longer.
General Motors pledged last year to offer a 10-year, 150,000-mile warranty for the 2012 Volt and seek EAT-PZEV emissions status.
Rob Peterson, a G.M. spokesman, said in a telephone interview Tuesday that 2012 Volts, with the longer battery warranty would be available in California in the second quarter of next year. He added that G.M. had “no lack of confidence in the battery,” but needed to add some emissions hardware to the 2012 model before it could meet the criteria laid out by California regulators. He said that the H.O.V.-compliant Volt should be on the road “around the same time” as the Prius plug-in.
drees said:PIP starts at $33k* - $2.5k fed tax credit - $1.5k CVRP rebate = $29k
evnow said:About 2K orders in one day (starting 9:00 AM yesterday).
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Apparently 5K available, before they post sold out (though because of a bug, they had been posting sold out even though it wasn't).
TomT said:Something with a "13-15 mile electric range" (as the latest blurb I just got from Toyota touts), isn't an electric car in any sense in my book. I suspect that many of them will never even GET plugged in... I think that the state should have set a minimum electric range to qualify for the green stickers for PHEVs just as they set a minimum mpg to qualify for the yellow ones for hybrids... So, now you how *I* feel about the subject...
TEG said:How do Leaf owners feel about Plug-in Priuses being parked in the public charge spots?
I do think in a few years - PHEVs that can't travel at freeway speed in EV mode will lose the HOV access. But that is still may be 5 years away.wcanl said:Oh brother, that's over the top. Toyota never said it's an electric car. It's a plug-in hybrid.
evnow said:I do think in a few years - PHEVs that can't travel at freeway speed in EV mode will lose the HOV access. But that is still may be 5 years away.wcanl said:Oh brother, that's over the top. Toyota never said it's an electric car. It's a plug-in hybrid.
That is a possibility - thats how we do it in WA.palmermd said:how about simplify things...can't travel in High Occupancy Vehicle lane unless you have High Occupancy in your vehicle. In 5 years there will be enough EV's and PHEV's to just put the rules back the way they were intended.
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