GRA said:I'd expect the Soul EV to be a very strong competitor to the LEAF in colder climates, with its battery heating system and driver-only heating option. It still makes absolutely no sense why Nissan has limited their battery heating to 'protection-only'.
Usually that is just a few $ / month extra.ILETRIC said:The above is also contingent upon the lease terms for 15,000 miles b/c 12,000 ain't gonna cut it for us.
ILETRIC said:I'm actually debating for the first time to look at it and if we like what we see, and the 93-mile range appears solid, chuck our 2011 Leaf and lease this thing until Model III comes out.
tuanies said:The battery packs are stacked with space in between for ventilation, there's a little vent under the seat that just takes air from the cabin to cool/warm the battery. Kia figured the cabin would always be at optimal comfort temp and simplifies things by taking advantage of that.
I hope there is a filter as dust will be surely sucked in and deposited on the modules over time impacting heat exchange.
Is the air circulated directly into the battery enclosure? That would create a free passage directly from the battery to the passenger compartment - seems like a bad idea.
TomT said:I'm sure that Kia took all this in to consideration in their design...
TomT said:It's certainly not as elegant a solution as a full-blown TMS but it is far better than the Leaf's lack of any thermal control...
If they're going to introduce a 150 mile LEAF that will be semi-practical for 'more than a single QC each way' road trips they're going to have to offer active cooling on it, barring a battery that really can take the heat. At least they finally realized that a taxi had to have battery cooling, although if they only use it when QC-ing as some reports have indicated, I expect there would be a lot of unhappy taxi drivers a year or two down the road as their shrinking battery capacity starts to limit their income and replacement costs loom.gsleaf said:In case anyone is interested Nissan's e-NV200 has a different cooling system than the Leaf. I wonder if the Leaf will go this way in the future...
https://transportevolved.com/2014/06/12/nissan-e-nv200-show-change-policy-battery-heating-cooling/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
gsleaf said:In case anyone is interested Nissan's e-NV200 has a different cooling system than the Leaf. I wonder if the Leaf will go this way in the future...
https://transportevolved.com/2014/06/12/nissan-e-nv200-show-change-policy-battery-heating-cooling/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
...As in LEAF, the battery pack comprises 48 modules with a nominal capacity of 24 kWh, but it incorporates a bespoke cooling pack that operates automatically during quick charging.
Due to more compact packaging and because e-NV200's duty cycle is likely to be quite different to LEAF - it is anticipated that the vehicle will be operated intensively during the working day and there will be greater use of Quick Chargers to minimise down time - cooled air from the vehicle's heating and ventilation system is channelled over the battery cells to ensure optimum charging conditions at all times...
edatoakrun said:Nissan has claimed that the LEAF battery pack's conductive heat transfer provides passive thermal management
Berlino said:GRA said:I'd expect the Soul EV to be a very strong competitor to the LEAF in colder climates, with its battery heating system and driver-only heating option. It still makes absolutely no sense why Nissan has limited their battery heating to 'protection-only'.
Agreed, these features definitely help in cold-weather.
Do you have any technical details on the Soul EV's battery heating system? I can only find superficial information.
It is strange that Kia is only offering the heat pump in the plus version in Canada, but in all versions in the USA. What's worse is that the mobile app apparently is not going to be supported in Canada according to this article:
http://www.theglobeandmail.com/glob...-the-electric-vehicle-market/article20803076/
tuanies said:The battery packs are stacked with space in between for ventilation, there's a little vent under the seat that just takes air from the cabin to cool/warm the battery. Kia figured the cabin would always be at optimal comfort temp and simplifies things by taking advantage of that.
minispeed said:I wouldn't put too much faith in that article. Since they claim that it has 3 "charging portals" and that the 500L comes in electric. As far as I've heard, and I just checked the fiat website the electric is only the 2door 500e. They also say about the 2 models that "The big difference between the trims is a heat pump" and then say the base model has "climate-control system designed to minimize draw from the battery" which would logically be a heat pump.
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