DesertDenizen
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mkjayakumar said:Doesn't matter. LBW is where I don't feel safe driving after that..
+1. I have never been below two SOC bars.
mkjayakumar said:Doesn't matter. LBW is where I don't feel safe driving after that..
DesertDenizen said:mkjayakumar said:Doesn't matter. LBW is where I don't feel safe driving after that..
+1. I have never been below two SOC bars.
09Bamb00 said:So now my 80% charge range is 59.7 miles. I start with 10 bars and end with 1 bar. Loose the first bar before I've traveled 7 miles. Average speed is 26.6 mph. All this with no AC. :shock: It is incrediably muggy !!! TG, I have curly hair otherwise I'd arrive at work with a bad-hair-day everyday. Should have purchased a golf cart for EV, or better kept my Geo which while gas got 50 mpg even on the highway. Very sad.
Graphic added to Wiki:palmermd said:ha...I feel redeemed. Andy clearly stated that they did all their testing and projections for life based on the LA4 cycle and 12,500 miles/year. He later stated that the things that will degrade a battery faster are driving high speeds continuously, high temperatures, frequent fast charging, more mileage. Most normal drivers in the US will not drive the LA4 cycle since we have so many freeways. If I remember correctly the LA4 cycle only has a maximum speed of 55mph for a few seconds, most of it is 35mph or less (city driving) and lots of chances for the battery to rest.
Stanton said:DesertDenizen said:mkjayakumar said:Doesn't matter. LBW is where I don't feel safe driving after that..
+1. I have never been below two SOC bars.
Then you're leaving a LOT of range in the pack. In fact, there's a lot more range in the bottom 2 bars than the top 2 (and you don't need more than a few weeks of driving to see that).
mkjayakumar said:Doesn't matter. LBW is where I don't feel safe driving after that..
Yes I managed to fill all of the above into my signature!Herm said:spike09 said:I encourage everyone to post their months of ownership, total miles and number of capacity bars info into their signature. And of course their location and VIN in their profile.[/b]
also your charging behavior, up to 100%, 80% or lower and how long the car spends at 100%.. your long term efficiency would be nice also
mksE55 said:mkjayakumar said:Doesn't matter. LBW is where I don't feel safe driving after that..
I too would tell you its ok to hit VLBW if needed ,you have about 4 miles left if you really need it. LBW is where Nissan tells you to charge so I stick with this as being E on my range as well, just safer and saves battery( Nissan says it does). only been there a few times.
+1 The statement from Mr Palmer is a little disingenuous. Even a golf cart has a battery that can be replaced! What motor vehicle has a component that was designed to not be replaced at some time in the future?RegGuheert said:That said, I'm having a little difficulty reconciling the following two statements by Andy Palmer in the video:andAndy Palmer said:There is a degradation of all batteries over life. It's straightforward physics and chemistry.I'm sorry, but that simply does not compute, particularly on a vehicle which is intended to be eco-friendly but has a quite limited range to begin with.Andy Palmer said:We never imagined that there would be a customer, and apparently there is, uh, where, who would, say, at the end of five years of life, that they would want to bring their state-of-health of the battery back up to 100%, and therefore buy a battery.
ALLWATZ said:+1 The statement from Mr Palmer is a little disingenuous. Even a golf cart has a battery that can be replaced! What motor vehicle has a component that was designed to not be replaced at some time in the future?RegGuheert said:That said, I'm having a little difficulty reconciling the following two statements by Andy Palmer in the video:andAndy Palmer said:There is a degradation of all batteries over life. It's straightforward physics and chemistry.I'm sorry, but that simply does not compute, particularly on a vehicle which is intended to be eco-friendly but has a quite limited range to begin with.Andy Palmer said:We never imagined that there would be a customer, and apparently there is, uh, where, who would, say, at the end of five years of life, that they would want to bring their state-of-health of the battery back up to 100%, and therefore buy a battery.
According to the owners manual you are supposed to charge as soon as possible after LBW, preferably before VLBW. This means (to me) that you should not be using that range often.Stanton said:DesertDenizen said:mkjayakumar said:Doesn't matter. LBW is where I don't feel safe driving after that..
+1. I have never been below two SOC bars.
Then you're leaving a LOT of range in the pack. In fact, there's a lot more range in the bottom 2 bars than the top 2 (and you don't need more than a few weeks of driving to see that).
I find it refreshing, and a good start. He admitted that their 76% number was based on a population of cars that average 7,500 miles, Carla B should have known we'd see right through this. They must have the data to define a curve for the population of cars who travel between 10K and 14K miles per year in the heat, on the freeways, and they need to release that before they continue to dup consumers out of money.opossum said:This video just fills me with more rage!!! :evil: I can't wait to pick it apart this weekend...
Wiki updated. Unfortunately, you are right on schedule for that second bar loss (average is 52.7 days between losing bar one and bar two, for those who lose a second bar).ALLWATZ said:Well, I have been waiting for this day, the dreaded second bar loss . I had been losing range lately and thought this might be it :shock: . 1 capacity bar loss at 12 months/9500 miles and 2nd bar loss toady at 10250miles/14 months. :x
spike09 said:there are a lot of half-truths and outright lies out there regarding the LEAF. There are even some that owners firmly believe are true!
azdre said:I hope that Nissan's repurchase of our LEAF is the start of individuals being able to get a fresh start when the car no longer suits their needs based on expectations established pre-sale.
ALLWATZ said:Well, I have been waiting for this day, the dreaded second bar loss . I had been losing range lately and thought this might be it :shock: . 1 capacity bar loss at 12 months/9500 miles and 2nd bar loss toady at 10250miles/14 months. :x To Mr. Palmer, none of it freeway and inbetween his 7500 mile and the national avg of 12500 miles. :?:
P.S. still in the 100's here although we will be getting a break this week
P.S.S. putting in the emoticons does help!
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