Stunt822 said:Wondering, if anyone is selling a Leaf yet? Any bet on when we'll see them appearing on "Craigslist"?
And what would be the price you (as buyer) would be ready to pay for gently used Leaf ?
Reeler was (has?). Though for some reason his posts related to it are missing. I suspect that they were deleted.Stunt822 said:Wondering, if anyone is selling a Leaf yet? Any bet on when we'll see them appearing on "Craigslist"?
There is absolutely no specifcation of what "not for resale" mean. There is an explicit specification that "original use of the vehicle commences with the taxpayer": Internal Revenue Bulletin: 2009-48, New Qualified Plug-in Electric Drive Motor Vehicle Credit.SteveInSeattle said:This raises an interesting question: The Federal Tax credit clearly states that the car must be purchased to be placed into service and not for resale. However, I've never heard of a definition of "placed into service". I assume that how long you must own the car for it to be considered "placed into service" remains vague.
36 month leases are being written with residual in the high 40% range (banks guess of future value). MSRP ~$33,000. Residual ~$14,850 ($33,000 X 45%) in 36 months. $16k is probably a little low for a 2 year old LEAF. Then again, much of the country will just be getting them then. Price could be higher there if supply is tight.Stunt822 said:I would rather buy a 2 year old used car, if price would drop to $16k or so.
American auto companies really abused the lease to push sales. They'd use high residual to lower lease cost. One of the reasons they got into trouble as resale price of guzzlers plummeted.Stunt822 said:I'm new to leasing - would market value of cars normally be less or more than lease residual?
Stunt822 said:I would count from MSRP after rebates (everyone is getting those). So from ~$25k it's more like 60%. But I think lease estimate is a best one for now.
Well, of course, at that point you won't have been given the credit in the first place! My guess is that if you no longer own the vehicle at the end of the tax year in which you buy it, the IRS computers are going to flag your return, and you are going to have to do some explaining in order to get the credit at all. There will, of course, be explanations that the IRS will accept. They might range from "my wife hated it" to "the car was totaled."aqn said:If I buy a Leaf, drive the car for one day, then sell it, I'm OK. There is also no specification that the credit has to be given back.
DaveinOlyWA said:trust me on this. when gas hits $4.25 a gallon, someone will get greedy or be forced by a change in finances and we will see Leafs selling for $40,000 used without the tax credit
derkraut said:DaveinOlyWA said:trust me on this. when gas hits $4.25 a gallon, someone will get greedy or be forced by a change in finances and we will see Leafs selling for $40,000 used without the tax credit
Not far down the road either, IMHO. I filled up the Prius yesterday @ $3.79 for 87 octane. Price will probably go up again before the weekend. I guess Ghadafi must have been supplying gasoline to the San Diego area, eh? :x :x :x :x :x
The guy that did not reserve last year, cannot order one, and wants one now.aqn said:If the car costs X and the credit is Y, who the heck would want to buy my used Leaf for more than X - Y if they can get a brand new Leaf for X - Y?
kmp647 said:there is a Nissan dealer in Nashville tn offering a leaf for $35,600 vin ends in 328
silver car
shows up on autotrader
derkraut said:DaveinOlyWA said:trust me on this. when gas hits $4.25 a gallon, someone will get greedy or be forced by a change in finances and we will see Leafs selling for $40,000 used without the tax credit
Not far down the road either, IMHO. I filled up the Prius yesterday @ $3.79 for 87 octane. Price will probably go up again before the weekend. I guess Ghadafi must have been supplying gasoline to the San Diego area, eh? :x :x :x :x :x
Filled up my Prius last week for $3.75 - same station is now $3.81. Paid $4.01 for premium for my WRX this morning - almost $54! Luckily only fill up every other week but with the WRX costing about $0.19/mi in fuel alone (and it's due for about $1000 in maintenance) - the Prius is a bargain at about $0.09/mi in fuel. The Leaf (assuming 3 mi/kWh from the wall) even if I had to pay "top tier" electricity prices of $0.30/kWh would be similar to the Prius in fuel costs. And at $0.10/kWh off-peak ($0.03/mi) it's almost like driving for free compared to the WRX!derkraut said:Not far down the road either, IMHO. I filled up the Prius yesterday @ $3.79 for 87 octane. Price will probably go up again before the weekend. I guess Ghadafi must have been supplying gasoline to the San Diego area, eh? :x :x :x :x :x
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