2014 Jan Plugin Sales Discussion : Leaf 1252, Volt 918

[evnow]

As expected Jan is a slow month for Plugin Sales.

 

[Zythryn]

PiP sold 803.

http://pressroom.toyota.com/releases/tms+jan+2014+sales+chart.download" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

 

[DaveinOlyWA]

Much higher sales than I expected.

 

[scottf200]

Much higher sales than I expected.

Because of the harsh weather or more competition or what were your reasonings.

 

[cBeam]

Because of the harsh weather or more competition or what were your reasonings.

There was not really any harsh weather in California. Were all sales in CA and the rest of the country sold none?

 

[KJD]

Much higher sales than I expected.

I would agree with this.

Take a car that is overpriced to begin with and then raise prices and sales go down. Wake up Nissan.

 

[Zythryn]

Because of the harsh weather or more competition or what were your reasonings.

There was not really any harsh weather in California. Were all sales in CA and the rest of the country sold none?

That would be rather incredulous.
More likely 2/3 or even 3/4 were on the west coast.
Virtually all car sales were down severely in January. The cold weather in much of the country has been pointed to as a contributing factor.

 

[DaveinOlyWA]

MY change over. Most areas might be ok but the faster moving areas will see a lag as the consumer will wait a few weeks to get a 2014... thought that would be obvious

 

[evnow]

Take a car that is overpriced to begin with and then raise prices and sales go down. Wake up Nissan.

Hmmm - what car are you talking about ?

 

[ydnas7]

http://www.hybridcars.com/january-2014-dashboard/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
I suspect Statik's earlier Tesla accounting was more accurate than hybridcars, but that current hybridcars accounting for Tesla is more accurate.
(reason being that hybridcars presumably uses registration data from select states to generate their forecast for Tesla)

Anyway 1st and 2nd place go to Tesla and Nissan.
There is a story there.

also isn't the PiP partially the PHEV equivalent of a compliance car due to its limited availability. surely its been on the market long enough for national roll-out

 

[adric22]

Take a car that is overpriced to begin with and then raise prices and sales go down. Wake up Nissan.

The Leaf is by no means overpriced, at least not anymore.

 

[evnow]

I suspect Statik's earlier Tesla accounting was more accurate than hybridcars, but that current hybridcars accounting for Tesla is more accurate.
(reason being that hybridcars presumably uses registration data from select states to generate their forecast for Tesla)

Curiously Tesla's number, 1300, is same as last year Jan.

 

[Jay]

http://www.hybridcars.com/january-2014-dashboard/
I suspect Statik's earlier Tesla accounting was more accurate than hybridcars, but that current hybridcars accounting for Tesla is more accurate.
(reason being that hybridcars presumably uses registration data from select states to generate their forecast for Tesla)

Anyway 1st and 2nd place go to Tesla and Nissan.
There is a story there.

also isn't the PiP partially the PHEV equivalent of a compliance car due to its limited availability. surely its been on the market long enough for national roll-out

Its definitely not registration based, and Hybrid Cars doesn't track the data/ins and outs of the weekly and monthly trends at Tesla themselves. They acquire their data third party -Autodata. Normally, it is an awesome compiling of data, but falls apart when it comes to estimates on Tesla. IMO very little effort is put into those estimates.

They tend to just take whatever the estimate is from Tesla and pretty much divide that number by 3 without giving much mind to worldwide allocation or seasonal factors. Then when they are way off they will just go back and change the figures to suit without reconciling.

ie) July YTD sales according to their dashboard totaled 12,200 (http://www.hybridcars.com/july-2013-dashboard/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false
then in August they say Tesla sold 1,700 more...for a new yearly total listed of 13,150 - the amazing vanishing 750 cars that month (http://www.hybridcars.com/august-2013-dashboard/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false

They are generally always way over, then just change the YTD numbers to suit. Look at Q4, they have sales at 1700 1400 1300. that's 4400...but we already have Tesla saying they sold 6900 in the quarter, half of which in the US.

We certainly aren't perfect by any stretch, but our worst estimate for any 3 month period was only off by 200 cars, and we have been inside of 100 a couple times.

 

[KJD]

Sounds like LEAF sold 650 units in Norway last month. Not bad for a small market.

http://www.teslamotorsclub.com/showthread.php/27253-Sales-in-Norway-jan-2014" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

 

[edatoakrun]

I think the current "low" gas prices played a huge role in new car buying decisions, not only for BEVs and PHEVs, but for all fuel-efficient cars.

When high gas prices are not in the news, buyers don't think twice about buying a money-pit ICEV.

See the link below for a chart showing the dismal January sales of all "green cars".

Prius sales, for example, took a real dive.

http://green.autoblog.com/2014/02/07/january-2014-green-car-sales/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Green car sales plunged almost 14 percent from last year.

...American purchases of advanced-powertrain vehicles last month plunged almost 14 percent from a year earlier to 36,737 units as lower Toyota hybrid sales more than offset likely gains from Tesla Motors and the first recorded sales of the Cadillac ELR extended-range plug-in.

Green-car sales at Toyota, which used the Muppets to try to sell the company's Highlander SUV during the big game, dropped 25 percent from a year earlier to 18,195 vehicles as combined sales of the four Prius hybrid variants fell 23 percent from January 2013. In fact, sales of the Camry, Highlander and Avalon Hybrids all fell from a year earlier, while Lexus hybrid sales declined 9.1 percent from 2013...

 

[DaveinOlyWA]

Take a car that is overpriced to begin with and then raise prices and sales go down. Wake up Nissan.

The Leaf is by no means overpriced, at least not anymore.

i think that is a POV comment here.

if leasing (and can't understand anyone who would rather buy and really REALLY cant understand it when their ONLY response is "because we always buy our cars...that is the way we do it") especially when lease terms are so good, very low interest, tax credits, etc... then ya, its a damn good cheap transportation option

but if buying and taking out a loan and getting a percentage of that tax credit and possibly looking at a large loan balance in 3 years with an 80% capacity battery, then I think it not so good a deal...

 

[KJD]

The end of the month is getting close. What day will they publish numbers for Feb ?