garygid
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Handicapped-restricted parking in CA was typically "violated" by many until the fines were raised substantially, and it became lucrative for the police to hand out the BIG tickets.
And with EV spots.... well there have been virtually no electric vehicles so no enforcement and the prime spots go completely unused. This has been the perpetual system since these spots were installed duing the EV-1 days. With the quantity of EVs coming in the next couple years it will all just fall into place. And yes I believe the cities will be very quick to find this new revenue source once a few complaints are filed.garygid said:Handicapped-restricted parking in CA was typically "violated" by many until the fines were raised substantially, and it became lucrative for the police to hand out the BIG tickets.
LTLFTcomposite said:So which is more destructive? Keying the car all the way around or slitting all 4 side walls? I think the keying does more damage dollar wise but the slit side walls creates a lot more inconvenience.
Or L6-20 240V 20A even, depending on the site. For office parking lots, 120V is likely fine, but for shorter-term lots like dining or shopping locations, 240V outlets would be ideal.Herm said:As I have posted before, I would prefer that each parking stall had a 120V socket. Every BEV so far comes with a EVSE to plug into it, and can charge the magical 40 miles in a standard 8 hour work day. It would be nice if commercial grade 120V 20A sockets with a built-in relay and internet communications were available for a reasonable cost.. you plug in, it debits your account and the relay is enabled. You would use an RFID device to enable the socket... you wave the RFID device again to shut off the socket, so no else can take advantage of it when you unplug.
So how much does an RFID reader , internet and a relay cost?
I went to the San Jose Convention Center lot for the first time yesterday, intending to try out the charging station. Both spots were occupied by ICEs. I did call a number for the parking company to complain, but the best they would promise was to put out warnings on the cars. But thinking back on it, it's really the garage that is at fault since as you say, the spots are not signed to preclude non-EVs.Lanzer said:I experienced the same thing at the EV charging stations in the San Jose convention center.
Problem with what I saw was that there were no signs saying that the spots were reserved for EV's only. (Even though it's pretty obvious to us all)
I doubt that the city will move quick enough to have a law similar to the $240 violation on handicapped parking violation. Probably the most practical approach would be to have private towing companies to act as the penalty for violation. If only Column can add a "violator will be towed" message with each installation...
As long as we can't guarantee ourselves a charging spot we can never drive more than 50 miles to anywhere.
Well isn't that just nice of them! They've given you a perfect script for a yelp review, hotels.com review and a letter to your local paper. PlugInCars.com may also be interested in the story:Adrian said:I attended a conference at the Long Beach Hilton the other week and found an Aston Martin parked in the clearly marked, only EV charging/parking spot in the structure. I asked about it at the front desk and on day one I was promised the spot would be available the next day. Though it had the old type chargers next to it, it also had a 120V outlet which I was planning to use. The next day, the Aston Martin was still parked in the EV spot. Turns out it belonged to a high level Hilton manager that over the years had appropriated it. So, I stopped by the front desk again. I was told the chargers were out of order and the 120V outlet was also out of order so Hilton management (probably the owner of the Aston Martin) would not allow me to park in that spot. So on my way to the car, I checked the 120V outlet...it worked perfectly. So I went back to the front desk and told them the outlet worked fine and I did not appreciate being lied to, and re-iterated my desire to park and charge in the EV parking spot. I was told they would get back to me. I got a call later that evening that regardless of whether the 120V outlet worked, Hilton would not make the EV charging spot available to me, the driver of an EV since it is private property and they don't have to. I haven't had the time to file a complaint on Hilton's website. I have to say this experience left me very annoyed with Hilton as a chain in general. I wonder what it will take for EV charging spots to be respected in the future.
ElectricVehicle said:If you ever return to the site, get their before the manager does and park in the EV ONLY spot!
Honestly, if people make trouble for them they'll probably just decide it's no longer an EV spot and paint it as 'reserved' or something similar. On the other hand, if they get a reputation as ecologically unfriendly, maybe it'll at least give them pause.mwalsh said:Seriously. I would sit in the lot and wait for that fuc*er to leave. Then the moment he did, I would be in that space and wouldn't leave it again for the rest of my stay at the hotel. :lol:ElectricVehicle said:If you ever return to the site, get their before the manager does and park in the EV ONLY spot!
Honestly, better that than a fake EV spot no one can actually use.Packet said:Honestly, if people make trouble for them they'll probably just decide it's no longer an EV spot and paint it as 'reserved' or something similar...
davewill said:Honestly, better that than a fake EV spot no one can actually use.Packet said:Honestly, if people make trouble for them they'll probably just decide it's no longer an EV spot and paint it as 'reserved' or something similar...
Adrian said:davewill said:Honestly, better that than a fake EV spot no one can actually use.Packet said:Honestly, if people make trouble for them they'll probably just decide it's no longer an EV spot and paint it as 'reserved' or something similar...
I actually suggested to them they should remove the non-functional chargers from the wall, remove the signage and mark it "reserved for X" . I have a feeling there might be a bit more to it than that. Someone paid for those now non-functional chargers and they probably claim to have an EV parking spot for that structure. It would be great if we could start tracking these type of incidents across CA and get some public attention to these practices. Without some public shaming nothing will change. Large fines and mandatory enforcement would be nice too. I'm willing to help an organized effort, but don't know where to start.
LTLFTcomposite said:So which is more destructive? Keying the car all the way around or slitting all 4 side walls? I think the keying does more damage dollar wise but the slit side walls creates a lot more inconvenience.
Adrian said:I posted a review on yelp. I need to cut down the story to 500 characters or less to fit into the Hilton customer feedback form online.
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