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PostPosted: Fri Feb 10, 2012 10:45 am 
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Ireland - only car so is used locally as well for longer trips - around 300 miles within a day - using 5 different QC. They are plenty of QC stations, and all of them free of charge for EV owner (Topaz is the largest fuel distributor and all QC stations are free, but one - charging 2.7c/min ( 2 eurocents) of fast charge. Nissan have QC there and all are free). Our L2 charging is considered slow charging, and people complaining that can't use full power of IEC 62196-2 Type 2 (Mennekes) that can deliver either 7kWh or 21kWh. Gas and electricity prices are 2x what we have here, so economics not much different than here.

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edit "Topaz is the largest fuel distributor and all QC stations are free but one - charging 2.7c/min ( 2 eurocents) of fast charge. Nissan have QC there and all are free"


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PostPosted: Fri Feb 10, 2012 10:52 am 
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Free QC :shock: And we need to charge $2/hr+ to get L2 from college students :evil:

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PostPosted: Fri Feb 10, 2012 10:53 am 
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Not "free".... Tax supported. Somebody is paying, just not the vehicle driver (directly).

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PostPosted: Fri Feb 10, 2012 11:04 am 
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Topaz is the largest fuel distributor and all QC stations are free but one - charging 2.7c/min ( 2 eurocents) of fast charge. Nissan have QC there and all are free


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PostPosted: Fri Feb 10, 2012 12:46 pm 
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EdmondLeaf wrote:
Ireland - only car so is used locally as well for longer trips - around 300 miles within a day - using 5 different QC.


I'd love to see the one year battery check report on this Leaf to see if the warnings from Nissan about multiple QC's a day warrant any concern.


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PostPosted: Fri Feb 10, 2012 1:03 pm 
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LakeLeaf wrote:
I'd love to see the one year battery check report on this Leaf to see if the warnings from Nissan about multiple QC's a day warrant any concern.

I will report back but is not 1 year old yet, they also use QC as needed for local travel. Looks like warranty is shorter there, and no capacity on battery.


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PostPosted: Fri Feb 10, 2012 1:35 pm 
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Quick Charger location map CHAdeMO

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PostPosted: Fri Feb 10, 2012 2:04 pm 
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I'm gradually getting a sinking feeling that L2 is a waste of time other than at home and work and that L3 is going to turn out to have almost no negative effect on the battery... can't help but feel that the focus here needs to be on getting L3 in place first, then filling in with L2 on an as need basis!

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PostPosted: Fri Feb 10, 2012 2:19 pm 
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GaslessInSeattle wrote:
I'm gradually getting a sinking feeling that L2 is a waste of time other than at home and work and that L3 is going to turn out to have almost no negative effect on the battery... can't help but feel that the focus here needs to be on getting L3 in place first, then filling in with L2 on an as need basis!


Lots of people have come to that conclusion, but there are locations such as malls and movie theaters that could give you a reasonable charge with L2.


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PostPosted: Fri Feb 10, 2012 2:49 pm 
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Herm wrote:
GaslessInSeattle wrote:
I'm gradually getting a sinking feeling that L2 is a waste of time other than at home and work and that L3 is going to turn out to have almost no negative effect on the battery... can't help but feel that the focus here needs to be on getting L3 in place first, then filling in with L2 on an as need basis!


Lots of people have come to that conclusion, but there are locations such as malls and movie theaters that could give you a reasonable charge with L2.


yes, I agree, but what we are seeing is tax payer dollars being spent putting L2 all over the place here without, IMHO, a real sense of what is needed and it appears that there is now a bit of a rush to get more in before the funding dries up... I just hate to think it's going to become just one more political punching bag if the placement isn't done carefully and the majority of charging stations go unused.

I was going out of my way to use L2 because I want to show support for EV's, but the reality is that I almost never end up getting enough of a charge by the time I'm done shopping to make much of a difference. I'm actually starting to think I should stop using L2 out in the wild so as not to give an artificially inflated sense of their value to the researchers. When I have to pay for L2 it's exorbitant compared to what the electricity actually costs. Maybe when we have faster chargers in our cars this will all make more sense but for now, their is an undeniable brilliance in DC fast charging that is so much more convenient and wowing to the user that I feel like we need to shift course and get fully behind expanding L3 as much as possible. In fact, having a bunch of L2 charging around that isn't getting used may very well threaten future funding for even L3 as policy makers may mistake the lack of use of L2 as an example of the underwhelming need for more infrastructure overall... that worries me.

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